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  • yonu
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 138
    • United States

    #21
    Re: help with a APC ups mod

    Sure it is
    6CM490E
    TL780-15

    Thanks,
    Yonu

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    • budm
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2010
      • 40746
      • USA

      #22
      Re: help with a APC ups mod

      Just a 15V 1.5A Voltage regulator, that section is the charger circuit for the batteries.
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      • yonu
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2007
        • 138
        • United States

        #23
        Re: help with a APC ups mod

        Could I up the regulator to a larger output one to increase the output or would that tax the other hardware to much?

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        • budm
          Badcaps Legend
          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
          • USA

          #24
          Re: help with a APC ups mod

          That small transformer on the PCB is not made to put out what you need which is 3A minimum + head room.
          Never stop learning
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          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

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          Inverter testing using old CFL:
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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #25
            Re: help with a APC ups mod

            BTW, your 12VDC operating equipment to have, what is the Voltage range can they function, X~XX Volt?
            Never stop learning
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            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
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            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
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            • yonu
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 138
              • United States

              #26
              Re: help with a APC ups mod

              everything except one piece is good to 14v and I have a 12v regulator wired in the power wire for it

              and oh well back to the drawing board

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #27
                Re: help with a APC ups mod

                This is one of the simple way to do it.
                Attached Files
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                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • Kiriakos GR
                  Banned
                  • May 2012
                  • 940
                  • Greece

                  #28
                  Re: help with a APC ups mod

                  Originally posted by yonu
                  Heap a 40A ATC automotive fuse
                  I believe that this is an protection in case that batteries charger is facing a short circuit.
                  It supposed that the inrush current in such an event will be enormous.

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                  • yonu
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 138
                    • United States

                    #29
                    Re: help with a APC ups mod

                    ok thanks I will look do that I think I have a 6amp 12v adapter out in my workshop.

                    Now just for the sake of my curiosity and just to know if it was doable could I swap out the transformer and voltage regulators on the apc with larger output versions.

                    Thanks,
                    Yonu

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                    • budm
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
                      • USA

                      #30
                      Re: help with a APC ups mod

                      Are you going to use the relay or Diodes for switching?
                      Please measure the DC Voltage right at the batteries terminal with the UPS plugged in, you do not even need to turn on the power switch because the charger is an always on.
                      From user manual:
                      The Back-UPS ES should charge for at least
                      16 hours to ensure sufficient runtime. The unit
                      is being charged whenever it is connected to
                      utility power, whether the unit is turned ON or
                      OFF
                      .
                      Then check your computer to see if you communicate with the unit.
                      The relay method is probably the best way with minimum power lost.
                      If you are going to use diode switching, the Wallwart will have to be around 15~16V range.
                      Last edited by budm; 07-24-2014, 04:25 PM.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • yonu
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 138
                        • United States

                        #31
                        Re: help with a APC ups mod

                        I figured I would use the relay method.

                        now just for size of the new enclosure and less wires is there any reason I can't simply make a end and connect the wallwart to the 110v surge protecter outputs on the board.

                        Thanks,
                        Yonu
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                        • kc8adu
                          Super Moderator
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 8829
                          • U.S.A!

                          #32
                          Re: help with a APC ups mod

                          it would be so easy to pull that transformer and build a charger with a bridge,7815,and a diode or 2 to drop.
                          those units are trash.
                          i would suggest driving the inverter transformer from the ac line and using the primary as the lv side but these things are lousy too.run super hot since they are cheap.
                          its something to play with and learn from then recycle.

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #33
                            Re: help with a APC ups mod

                            That little transformer on that board I have no idea how many secondary side windings it has, it has one for sure to run the batteries charger circuit, there may be another one to turn the controller for the USB, etc.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • goontron
                              5000!
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 4108
                              • US

                              #34
                              Re: help with a APC ups mod

                              Originally posted by kc8adu
                              it would be so easy to pull that transformer and build a charger with a bridge,7815,and a diode or 2 to drop.
                              those units are trash.
                              i would suggest driving the inverter transformer from the ac line and using the primary as the lv side but these things are lousy too.run super hot since they are cheap.
                              its something to play with and learn from then recycle.
                              IDK, you can get some decent current out of them.
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                              • yonu
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 138
                                • United States

                                #35
                                Re: help with a APC ups mod

                                ok I am picking up another be350r tomorrow from a client that found out it was cheaper to buy a new ups then a battery locally. so if any one is game to help me out I want to make an attempt with it to pull the charging transformer and install a larger one. However I know very little about transformers so I am hoping someone may be willing to help me id the parts I should change out and the part I am really lost on is how do I know what pins/wires on a new transformer go where.

                                Thanks,
                                yonu

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                                • budm
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Feb 2010
                                  • 40746
                                  • USA

                                  #36
                                  Re: help with a APC ups mod

                                  Take good clear pictures of the whole both sides of the board again, and then in 1/4 sections using good lights so we can clearly see the traces and the components.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                  • yonu
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Nov 2007
                                    • 138
                                    • United States

                                    #37
                                    Re: help with a APC ups mod

                                    ok I will get them taken tomorrow

                                    Thanks,
                                    Yonu

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                                    • yonu
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Nov 2007
                                      • 138
                                      • United States

                                      #38
                                      Re: help with a APC ups mod

                                      Ok here are the pics
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                                      • budm
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Feb 2010
                                        • 40746
                                        • USA

                                        #39
                                        Re: help with a APC ups mod

                                        That T2 transformer has a P/N sticker on the side, can you post that picture?
                                        I also see burnt trace on the bottom side around that transformer also.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                        • yonu
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Nov 2007
                                          • 138
                                          • United States

                                          #40
                                          Re: help with a APC ups mod

                                          ok on the sticker will upload that one in a sec and yikes didn't even notice the burnt trace but then I wasn't looking for it

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