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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
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    #121
    Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

    I think STR-chip is defective. You can try replacing it.
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    • NihonNoir
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      • Jan 2014
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      #122
      Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

      Okay. Should I pull it out of circuit and test it, or just go ahead and order it?

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      • tom66
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        #123
        Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

        With power off, you can test from pin 5 to 3 on ohms mode, in circuit, then pull device and check again out of circuit.
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        • NihonNoir
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          #124
          Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

          On Ohms 200, I get 15.6.

          Is there anything else I should test? And were any of the caps bad or should I leave them alone?
          Last edited by NihonNoir; 01-23-2014, 10:06 AM.

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          • tom66
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            #125
            Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

            15.6 ohms is very bad. It looks like you have found the fault...
            The caps are very high quality on this model, I would not expect them to be at fault.
            Last edited by tom66; 01-23-2014, 10:10 AM.
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            • multimeter
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              • Jan 2011
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              #126
              Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

              so what went wrong then ?
              fixed so far...376 lg lcd tv's,24 onn tv;s,24 panasonic lcd,16 jvc lcd,12 marshall jcm800 amps,refurb of various disco equipment lighting,old style disco decks ,and a flymo!

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              please let us know if everything works ok if your tv gets fixed, as it will be and aid for anyone else having the same problem and wishing to fix it.it would save people clogging up this site with topics that are duplicated,and can be found easily using the search function.,and taking up valuable space.enjoy your fixed tv!,hopefully!

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              • NihonNoir
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                #127
                Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                Roger that. Any advice on removing this chip from the board?
                Last edited by NihonNoir; 01-23-2014, 10:37 AM.

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                • NihonNoir
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                  #128
                  Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                  Originally posted by multimeter
                  so what went wrong then ?
                  Looks like that STR chip - IC901.

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                  • multimeter
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                    • Jan 2011
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                    #129
                    Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                    Originally posted by multimeter
                    this is your power ic,pin one will have a dot on the surface

                    count anti-clockwise,you will have to check pins 3 and 5 ,with your meter on 200 ohm resistance,report the reading back,when you have done the voltage testing
                    Originally posted by multimeter
                    sorry my fault,black probe on pin 3 red on pin 5,it may need removing to get a good reading,but see what the resistance is between those 2 pins

                    power off and unplugged for that test
                    Originally posted by nihonnoir
                    man, this takes a lot of dexterity.

                    Black lead on pin 3, red lead on pin 5 - i got a "1".
                    Originally posted by multimeter
                    no short to ground there,there is a mosfet in there ,sort that out in a bit
                    page #2
                    Last edited by multimeter; 01-23-2014, 10:34 AM.
                    fixed so far...376 lg lcd tv's,24 onn tv;s,24 panasonic lcd,16 jvc lcd,12 marshall jcm800 amps,refurb of various disco equipment lighting,old style disco decks ,and a flymo!

                    ----------------------------------------------
                    please let us know if everything works ok if your tv gets fixed, as it will be and aid for anyone else having the same problem and wishing to fix it.it would save people clogging up this site with topics that are duplicated,and can be found easily using the search function.,and taking up valuable space.enjoy your fixed tv!,hopefully!

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                    • NihonNoir
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                      #130
                      Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                      Originally posted by multimeter
                      Yeah, pretty sure I fudged that up. I had the wrong pin 5.

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                      • vinceroger69
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                        • Mar 2012
                        • 6714
                        • uk

                        #131
                        Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                        well we all learn by making mistakes at times i would add some fresh solder to each pin of the ic your removing then use your solder wick these are also very usefull in my opinon if radio shack sells them http://www.amazon.com/Parts-Express-.../dp/B0002KRAAG
                        Last edited by vinceroger69; 01-23-2014, 10:42 AM.

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                        • NihonNoir
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                          #132
                          Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                          Originally posted by vinceroger69
                          well we all learn by making mistakes at times i would add some fresh solder to each pin of the ic your removing then use your solder wick these are also very usefull in my opinon if radio shack sells them http://www.amazon.com/Parts-Express-.../dp/B0002KRAAG
                          Well, I've definitely learned a lot and I'm really enjoying it, aside from the frustration.

                          I actually ordered that sucker last night with the expectation that I'd never be able to get this IC up. I've been practicing on an old Genesis board I had lying around, and I had such a hard time getting the caps out. The solder would hardly soak up into the wick. I managed to get 3 of them out, and I'm quite sure I've ruined them all.

                          But the solder around this IC came up much easier. Different quality of solder, maybe. I dun know.

                          Hopefully I haven't ruined the board or anything - I did make an effort not to leave the iron tip on it for no more than 5-10 seconds.

                          And I got the same readings with it off the board, so I guess it's a dead spider.
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                          • NihonNoir
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                            #133
                            Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                            Oh, is Digikey the best place to get it? And is this the correct part: http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...69H-ND/3661844

                            . . . should I order 2 just in case?

                            Thank you all!
                            Last edited by NihonNoir; 01-23-2014, 11:16 AM.

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                            • vinceroger69
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                              • Mar 2012
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                              #134
                              Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                              thats why before i remove any faulty parts if possible i add fresh solder first makes it easier for me any way and im still learning as well.

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                              • tom66
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                                #135
                                Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                                One thing of note, just noticed this, is that is 8-DIP type. Ideally you use 7-DIP which has that missing lead. You can still use 8-DIP but you would have to cut off the excess lead, which has no function.
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                                • NihonNoir
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                                  #136
                                  Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                                  Originally posted by tom66
                                  One thing of note, just noticed this, is that is 8-DIP type. Ideally you use 7-DIP which has that missing lead. You can still use 8-DIP but you would have to cut off the excess lead, which has no function.
                                  Thanks for pointing that out. I noticed it as well yesterday and had a chat with a rep before ordering it - he checked it and confirmed that pin 6 is not used. I'm assuming that means it just isn't there. If not, I'll have to cut it.

                                  Just out of curiosity, what could have happened to it to cause it to stop functioning?

                                  Thanks again for your help!

                                  Hmmm - http://www.geek.com/chips/ic-failure...recipe-554945/
                                  Last edited by NihonNoir; 01-24-2014, 11:36 AM.

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                                  • tom66
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                                    #137
                                    Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                                    I won't go into too much detail but basically it's a random probability that a device will fail.

                                    So a device might have an MTBF (mean time between failures) of 50,000 hours, that's pretty typical for consumer electronics. Does this mean it will last 50,000 hours? Not necessarily. It means that if you had 50,000 widgets in the field, on average, one would fail every hour.

                                    Other things, it can also be damaged by a power surge or moisture getting into the device before the soldering process, leading to early failure.
                                    Last edited by tom66; 01-24-2014, 12:15 PM.
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                                    • NihonNoir
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                                      #138
                                      Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                                      Thanks for the info, Tom. Hopefully it's just a random failure, and not indicative of a larger problem with the TV.

                                      Got part in today. From ground pin to pin 5, I'm getting a "1" on it, whereas on the old one I got 15.X.

                                      Is that okay?

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                                      • tom66
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                                        #139
                                        Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                                        Yep, that looks a lot better.
                                        If you want to avoid smoke, you can try this trick:
                                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32748
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                                        • NihonNoir
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                                          #140
                                          Re: Sanyo DP42849 - No Power At All

                                          Thanks, but that's a bit over my head.

                                          I've bought 2, so if something happens, I'll have a backup at least.

                                          When I solder this chip back on the board, will that diode that reads as shorted (but good out of circuit) read correctly again?

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