Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

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  • Mr_K
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 106

    #21
    Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

    Originally posted by selldoor
    Hi - what is this- may be just a link or the picture, but it looks a bit odd.
    You have excellent eyes! I suspected this one, too. It looks odd because i lifted two pins for testing. From this view, the top left one and the lower one. Problem still remains....

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    • Mr_K
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 106

      #22
      Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

      So, i made a cut in the 12V line. Pls see the picture for details

      Edit: Picture updated with another cut. Blue lines are jumpers on the top. No short below this cut
      Attached Files
      Last edited by Mr_K; 12-03-2012, 01:05 PM. Reason: picture updated

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      • tom66
        EVs Rule
        • Apr 2011
        • 32560
        • UK

        #23
        Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

        OK, the other possibility is a failed MLCC (ceramic capacitor.) There is a small brown capacitor across the +12V and GND, right near the connector. Remove this and check if the short persists. It is only for EMI so not crucial for operation. Replacement should be with a 1uF 16V or 25V, 0603 device.
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        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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        • selldoor
          Slow Learner
          • Dec 2010
          • 7870

          #24
          Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

          Well - not a lot to check? Make sure the solder joints are not touching at the connector
          12v and gnd are pretty close. Then chack those little smd components that go from 12vtrace to gnd trace.

          Edit
          Just beaten to it!
          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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          • Mr_K
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 106

            #25
            Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

            No, that didn´t do the trick

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            • tom66
              EVs Rule
              • Apr 2011
              • 32560
              • UK

              #26
              Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

              So, let me understand this. DMM in ohms across 12V and GND. Reads dead short?
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              • Mr_K
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 106

                #27
                Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                Reads 0,5kOhms With cuts still open

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                • tom66
                  EVs Rule
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 32560
                  • UK

                  #28
                  Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                  And across the transformer tap it shows a short?

                  I fail to see the problem here -- this is quite normal. A transformer winding is a piece of wire inductively wound around a core. Ideally, it has zero resistance.
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                  • Mr_K
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 106

                    #29
                    Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                    I can´t mesure ohms between the transformer pins and ground. It alters very fast and i´m only using a multimeter.

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                    • tom66
                      EVs Rule
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 32560
                      • UK

                      #30
                      Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                      It should be steady -- TV/PSU must be unplugged.
                      Last edited by tom66; 12-03-2012, 02:30 PM.
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                      • Mr_K
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 106

                        #31
                        Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                        Originally posted by tom66
                        It should be steady -- TV/PSU must be unplugged.
                        Sure!!!

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                        • selldoor
                          Slow Learner
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7870

                          #32
                          Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                          Can you unsolder the long link - will shorten the problem zone.

                          Did you test the resistors crossing the line? and is there a cap or something
                          pinkish lines - what is the odd cherry coloured joint
                          Attached Files
                          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #33
                            Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                            Can I see the label on the white connector with a bunch Voltage labels next to it, I cannot read them on the picture.
                            I expect the 5V stanby to be working sinc the 12v is switched on by the main board.
                            Philips model number and chassis number? I also see MLCC right across the 12v output close to those two bleeder resistors.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • tom66
                              EVs Rule
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 32560
                              • UK

                              #34
                              Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                              We already ruled out the MLCC. After the diode it was my prime suspect. But I really am not sure where the short is any more.
                              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                              • Mr_K
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 106

                                #35
                                Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                                Originally posted by selldoor
                                Can you unsolder the long link - will shorten the problem zone.
                                The blue one? It´s unsoldered. See post #22

                                Originally posted by selldoor
                                Did you test the resistors crossing the line?
                                They seem to be fine. They would have much more ohms and not shorting out when failing.

                                Pls see the pic for details.....
                                Attached Files

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                                • Mr_K
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Apr 2011
                                  • 106

                                  #36
                                  Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                                  Originally posted by budm
                                  Can I see the label on the white connector with a bunch Voltage labels next to it, I cannot read them on the picture.
                                  I expect the 5V stanby to be working sinc the 12v is switched on by the main board.
                                  Philips model number and chassis number? I also see MLCC right across the 12v output close to those two bleeder resistors.
                                  Which label exactly?

                                  The TV is a 42PFL4007H/12. I didn´t find the chassis number and i´ll have to wair for tomorrow to look it up....

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                                  • selldoor
                                    Slow Learner
                                    • Dec 2010
                                    • 7870

                                    #37
                                    Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                                    He means the values shown in the box underneath _ I tried to enlarge and improve but could not
                                    On/Off
                                    DIM
                                    +12v
                                    +12v
                                    Gnd
                                    Gnd
                                    Gnd
                                    24v
                                    24v
                                    PS-on
                                    5.2v
                                    5.2v
                                    Attached Files
                                    Last edited by selldoor; 12-03-2012, 04:26 PM.
                                    Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                                    • selldoor
                                      Slow Learner
                                      • Dec 2010
                                      • 7870

                                      #38
                                      Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                                      Its nothing daft like the link on the top of the board pressed down onto the socket pin ends
                                      Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
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                                      • budm
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Feb 2010
                                        • 40746
                                        • USA

                                        #39
                                        Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                                        Originally posted by Mr_K
                                        Reads 0,5kOhms With cuts still open
                                        So it shows 500 Ohms (0.5K Ohms), that is not dead short, that sounds like the reading of those 3 resistors in parallel with the 12V output. I think we need to get the 5vstby working first.
                                        Last edited by budm; 12-03-2012, 07:26 PM.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                        • selldoor
                                          Slow Learner
                                          • Dec 2010
                                          • 7870

                                          #40
                                          Re: Faulty Philips PSU (715g5246-p01-000-002s )

                                          Good eyes - perhaps- but totally missed that there was no 5v.
                                          Mr K are there any voltages on the connector
                                          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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