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  • SLK001
    Badcaps Veteran
    • May 2014
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    #41
    Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

    If you are only getting 160V on your main caps, then C605, C606 or C607 is probably shorted.

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    • shadetreetrader11
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Oct 2015
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      #42
      Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

      Have never had 3.3vdc. Doesn't matter if the ribbon cable is plugged into the board or not. 3.3 is not present. As far as the chirping that only happens when the ribbon cable is plugged in. I have not tried to plug the ribbon cable in with the resistor soldered in place.

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      • shadetreetrader11
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        • Oct 2015
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        #43
        Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

        slk001 I'm assuming you are talking about the surface mounted caps on the back side?

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        • shadetreetrader11
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          #44
          Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

          checked all the surface mounted caps you mentioned on the back side of the power supply and the all measured over 3k ohms and above.

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #45
            Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

            Originally posted by shadetreetrader11
            Have never had 3.3vdc. Doesn't matter if the ribbon cable is plugged into the board or not. 3.3 is not present. As far as the chirping that only happens when the ribbon cable is plugged in. I have not tried to plug the ribbon cable in with the resistor soldered in place.
            OK, then we need to look at the ALL+3.3V standby power supply section first then, we know we do have the main DC 160V to run the standby power supply section, we will be working on the power supply board without any other board connected to it at this point and try to get the 3.3V working first.
            I will have to look at the diagrams. BTW, did you do any testing of the Diodes on that power supply board?
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            Last edited by budm; 05-14-2016, 09:44 PM.
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            • shadetreetrader11
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              • Oct 2015
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              #46
              Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

              I check all the diodes. None were shorted. check as many of the surface mount diodes on the back side as I could and they all seemed fine too

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              • budm
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                • Feb 2010
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                #47
                Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                OK, we need to find out what dcv you have on the SMD SMPS IC601 (FA5640N please verify that is the P/N as printed on top of the IC) in the primary side, we need the DCV readings of all the pin with ref to the GND pin pin 4 (or use the negative leg of the main filter cap as the GND ref point).
                Be real careful not to touch anything since you are working in the primary side of the circuit.
                Last edited by budm; 05-14-2016, 09:52 PM.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
                  • USA

                  #48
                  Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                  BTW, what DCV do you have on the AMP+13V and PON+21V jumpers? Notes: just the power supply board by itself.
                  Last edited by budm; 05-14-2016, 10:05 PM.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • shadetreetrader11
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Oct 2015
                    • 230
                    • USA

                    #49
                    Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                    amp +13 is 8.136 and p on+21v is 13.81

                    This is the measurements of IC601
                    1 8.9 mv
                    2 291.4 mv
                    3 27mv
                    4 Gnd
                    5 22mv
                    6 11.33vdc
                    7 42mv
                    8 166vdc
                    Last edited by shadetreetrader11; 05-14-2016, 11:04 PM.

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                    • CapLeaker
                      Leaking Member
                      • Dec 2014
                      • 8071
                      • Canada

                      #50
                      Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                      Measure all pin outs on the PSU, post pin name with voltages measured. TV on and TV off, so we have a start point. I went back, but that isn't your thread. Use GND pins 9-14 as your GND reference.

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                      • shadetreetrader11
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 230
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                        #51
                        Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                        Pins 1-8 all 0 vdc
                        Pins 15-18 Are 8.15 vdc
                        Pins 20-23 Are 13.8 vdc

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                        • CapLeaker
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                          #52
                          Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                          is that with the main board disconnected? If not, unhook everything from that PSU and measure those pins again.

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                          • shadetreetrader11
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                            • Oct 2015
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                            #53
                            Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                            The Main board is disconnected and there is a resistor soldered from the All+3.3volts to the p-on. Budm was stating that 3.3vdc isn't present so we were trying to figure out why that was. He had me start with ic601 and there voltages.

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                            • SLK001
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                              • May 2014
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                              #54
                              Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                              Originally posted by shadetreetrader11
                              slk001 I'm assuming you are talking about the surface mounted caps on the back side?
                              Sorry, I meant D605, D606 and D607. These are your booster diodes, which should boost your voltage to ~300VDC.

                              The Vcc pin on IC601 (PIN 6) is right at cut-off voltage (11V). This means that your driver IC is probably going in and out of shutdown. The voltage on PIN 6 should be in the 20V range.

                              Check the voltage on D614 (a zener diode).

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                              • shadetreetrader11
                                Badcaps Veteran
                                • Oct 2015
                                • 230
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                                #55
                                Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                                Lifted one leg of D605, D606, and D607 and they were all in good shape. Since it was so damn fun I did every diode on the board. All diodes tested good. As far as the voltage on pin 6 of IC601 it is the same as it was the last time. Still 11.33 volts as is D614. D614 is hooked directly to pin 6 of IC601. D614 also checked good. And as long as I was checking I check as many of the surface mount diodes I could find and they all measured fine.

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                                • SLK001
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • May 2014
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                                  #56
                                  Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                                  Originally posted by shadetreetrader11
                                  D614 is hooked directly to pin 6 of IC601.
                                  Should be thru a resistor (R634).

                                  If those three diodes are really good, then check C602. It is a 0.1uF, 310V cap. If you can't test it, then just replace it with a comparable part.

                                  You need to focus on why your booster isn't boosting.

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                                  • shadetreetrader11
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                                    • Oct 2015
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                                    #57
                                    Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                                    checked c602 with a esr meter and it checked good.

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                                    • CapLeaker
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                                      • Dec 2014
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                                      #58
                                      Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                                      VCC on IC601 is low. Check esr c620 and c616

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                                      • shadetreetrader11
                                        Badcaps Veteran
                                        • Oct 2015
                                        • 230
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                                        #59
                                        Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                                        c611 is measuring 17 ohms with esr meter. Seems high but I'm not at all familiar with ceramic caps. I'm going to try and find a parts board from a different TV and try find one with the same value and change them out.

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                                        • CapLeaker
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                                          • Dec 2014
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                                          #60
                                          Re: LF501EM5F No Power, Chirping/Beeping Transformer

                                          Only the electrolytic ones.

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