Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
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    #41
    Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

    500 Ohms is fine, and you must remove the cable going back to the main board.
    Never stop learning
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    • Michale32086
      New Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1453
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      #42
      Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

      Thanx, Budm...

      I found a 430ohm resistor and plugged it in as pictured..

      No response from the TV. Still doornail dead...

      Did I select the right pins??

      STBY 3.3v and POWER ON
      Attached Files

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      • tom66
        EVs Rule
        • Apr 2011
        • 32560
        • UK

        #43
        Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

        Picture is not clear enough to see if you've bridged the correct pins. What is the voltage now at POWER ON, with red meter probe on POWER ON and black probe on the chasiss of the TV? (Leave the resistor in place.)
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        • Michale32086
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          #44
          Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

          Originally posted by tom66
          Picture is not clear enough to see if you've bridged the correct pins.
          Yea, still looking for a nice hi MP camera...

          Originally posted by tom66
          What is the voltage now at POWER ON, with red meter probe on POWER ON and black probe on the chasiss of the TV? (Leave the resistor in place.)
          Voltage at POWER ON is 3.27v with the resistor in place..
          Attached Files

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          • tom66
            EVs Rule
            • Apr 2011
            • 32560
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            #45
            Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

            Hmm. That should turn it on then. Can you remove the resistor and reconnect the
            PSU and main boards. Then check power on pin again - just make a note if it goes high briefly then low, or not...
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            • Michale32086
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              #46
              Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

              OK, TV plugged in, POWER ON was at 3.3v...

              I pulled the resistor and the meter went down to 0v...

              Plugged the connector back into the Main Board. Meter read 1.9v for a sec or two, then went down to 0v

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              • tom66
                EVs Rule
                • Apr 2011
                • 32560
                • UK

                #47
                Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                To me this indicates your power board is bad. I think main board is trying to turn on board but failing. Put the resistor back in place and check voltage across the 450V cap Also try connectingpower on to gnd again with a resistor.
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                • Michale32086
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                  #48
                  Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                  Power to 450v Cap is 162v with resistor in place...

                  POWER ON to GND inline with the resistor??

                  IE POWER ON<===>RESISTOR<===>GND

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                  • tom66
                    EVs Rule
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 32560
                    • UK

                    #49
                    Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                    That's correct
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                    • Michale32086
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                      #50
                      Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                      Still dead... STBY shows 3.3v POWER ON shows 0v

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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
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                        #51
                        Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                        The power on pin is active high, so it needs >2.5Vdc to turn on.
                        Since the PFC Voltage booster did not come on with force on resistor, then you need more in-depth troubleshooting.
                        See PDF.
                        P/N of this power supply board?
                        Attached Files
                        Last edited by budm; 02-10-2015, 12:16 PM.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • Michale32086
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 1453
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                          #52
                          Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                          Originally posted by budm
                          the power on pin is active high, so it needs >2.5vdc to turn on.
                          Since the pfc voltage booster did not come on with force on resistor, then you need more in-depth troubleshooting.
                          See pdf.
                          P/n of this power supply board?
                          aps-54
                          Attached Files

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
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                            #53
                            Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                            Looks to be this one.
                            Attached Files
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • Michale32086
                              New Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 1453
                              • USA

                              #54
                              Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                              That's it...

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                              • tom66
                                EVs Rule
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 32560
                                • UK

                                #55
                                Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                                Check DC volts across C6323, C6117, C6118, C6115 -- all on the primary side with PSON being wired HIGH. Can you also check if R6342 is intact (should be a short) and get the part # of IC6301 on the bottom of the board (the large multi lead chip)

                                Looks like IC6301 is an "all in one" main SMPS controller and PFC controller. I hope it is not a custom Sony part or getting a replacement may be tricky.
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                                • Michale32086
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                                  • Nov 2011
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                                  #56
                                  Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                                  OK, by PSON being wired HIGH, I assume you mean the resistor in place as before.

                                  Not trying to be anal, but as Commander Spock would say, "Infinite reminders are infinitely preferable to gross errors"

                                  As for R6342, it IS intact and DOES show a short..

                                  IC6301 doesn't appear to have a part number on it.. which would argue for the idea that it's proprietary..
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                                  • tom66
                                    EVs Rule
                                    • Apr 2011
                                    • 32560
                                    • UK

                                    #57
                                    Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                                    Yes, POWER ON wired to STBY3.3V through the resistor. Try this trick to reveal part #: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/5410
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                                    • Michale32086
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                                      • Nov 2011
                                      • 1453
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                                      #58
                                      Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                                      C6115 is dead... .000v

                                      I am going to have to get under the board to check the rest.. It will take me a few...

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                                      • tom66
                                        EVs Rule
                                        • Apr 2011
                                        • 32560
                                        • UK

                                        #59
                                        Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                                        Usually, I find I can gently bend over the capacitor to probe the leads. (Only do this with power off -- the top of the cap is often live!)
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                                        • Michale32086
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                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 1453
                                          • USA

                                          #60
                                          Re: Dead As A Doornail. Sony KDL-40EX400

                                          Originally posted by tom66
                                          Usually, I find I can gently bend over the capacitor to probe the leads. (Only do this with power off -- the top of the cap is often live!)
                                          Yea, I thought they were flush with the PCB.. They aren't..

                                          OK

                                          C6115 0v
                                          C6117 14.29v
                                          C6118 14.53v
                                          C6323 14.28v

                                          I'll try that trick with the IC as soon as I can dig up some chalk..

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