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  • mopar4u
    Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 20
    • United States

    #21
    Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

    Originally posted by martyparish
    bk_on and bl_on are the same thing. Often they are labeled differently by different manufacturers. That pin is what turns the backlights (BL) to turn on. The main board waits for the command to turn the TV on and if all is well, it sends the signal to BL_ON.

    A nice closeup picture of the white connector would be great. Close enough that we can read the labels.
    I believe I found what your referring to. I put one of my DMM leads on this pin, where do I put the other lead? I can't test it until I get new capacitors.
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    • retiredcaps
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2010
      • 9271

      #22
      Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

      Originally posted by mopar4u
      pulled the two 10uf 450v capacitors. One of them I pulled the lead out while trying to remove it from the board. The other I test and I'm getting .140nF.
      0.140nF is bad.

      Pulled one end of D10 diode out, with the positive lead near the heat sink I get open, with the negative lead near the heat sink I get .452 VDC
      That diode is good.
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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #23
        Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

        Another case of bad cap looks normal.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • mopar4u
          Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 20
          • United States

          #24
          Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

          Originally posted by budm
          Another case of bad cap looks normal.
          i hope your right

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          • mopar4u
            Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 20
            • United States

            #25
            Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

            UPDATE: I put new caps in, now the white light turns on but no picture or startup "element" screen. The flashing red light on the power supply doesn't flash anymore. Progress is being made but not completely fixed yet. What next?

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            • tom66
              EVs Rule
              • Apr 2011
              • 32560
              • UK

              #26
              Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

              Checked everything is connected properly?
              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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              • selldoor
                Slow Learner
                • Dec 2010
                • 7870

                #27
                Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                test the voltages on the connectors. Meter on vDC20 or autorange. Black pin on a ground screw test each pin and report voltages against pin number a legend.
                eg
                Pin1 12v 11.59

                You can do this test in various steps all of which give clues.
                First with just the power supply plugged into the mains
                Second with main board connected.
                Third Main board connected and just as you press the on button. ( Just need to check "Pson" "B/L" ) for changes.
                Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                • mopar4u
                  Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 20
                  • United States

                  #28
                  Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                  Originally posted by tom66
                  Checked everything is connected properly?
                  I'm questioning myself as well. I took a picture, there is a connector in the lower left next the red led light, I can't find a cable for it that goes there.


                  Originally posted by selldoor
                  test the voltages on the connectors. Meter on vDC20 or autorange. Black pin on a ground screw test each pin and report voltages against pin number a legend.
                  eg
                  Pin1 12v 11.59

                  You can do this test in various steps all of which give clues.
                  First with just the power supply plugged into the mains
                  Second with main board connected.
                  Third Main board connected and just as you press the on button. ( Just need to check "Pson" "B/L" ) for changes.

                  Thanks, stay tuned for results.
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                  • selldoor
                    Slow Learner
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 7870

                    #29
                    Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                    I notice the board is not screwed down - some sets need to be to work correctly or you can provide a ground connection.
                    Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                    • mopar4u
                      Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 20
                      • United States

                      #30
                      Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                      Originally posted by selldoor
                      I notice the board is not screwed down - some sets need to be to work correctly or you can provide a ground connection.
                      thanks for the input, put all the screws in, no change.

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                      • mopar4u
                        Member
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 20
                        • United States

                        #31
                        Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                        Originally posted by selldoor
                        test the voltages on the connectors. Meter on vDC20 or autorange. Black pin on a ground screw test each pin and report voltages against pin number a legend.
                        eg
                        Pin1 12v 11.59

                        You can do this test in various steps all of which give clues.
                        First with just the power supply plugged into the mains
                        Second with main board connected.
                        Third Main board connected and just as you press the on button. ( Just need to check "Pson" "B/L" ) for changes.

                        Not 100% sure on exactly what your looking for, I started by doing this. Small connector in the below photo and large connector in the below photo I'm assuming is what your talking about. In order to turn the tv on and off both must be connected. So with both connected going left to right starting with the smaller connector I back probed the wire. n/w = no wire
                        0,n/w,4.9,n/w,n/w,3.2 .......... 24.9,0,0,0,0,11.9,n/w, 5.13,4.8

                        Not sure what to do next for testing voltages.
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                        • mopar4u
                          Member
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 20
                          • United States

                          #32
                          Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                          UPDATE!! Got it working!! I removed the metal shrouds that the power supply and main board sit on, I found the cable that connects to the tconn board disconnected. Now that I think about it, the previous owner did say he snooped around in an attempt to fix it, he must have disconnected this cable. Turns out it was the two capacitors that DID NOT show signs of bulging or leaking. Thanks for everyone's help and input. I now have my tv for the garage.

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #33
                            Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                            Glad you got it working, great job finding the disconnected LVDS cable.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • capkid
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 1339
                              • United States

                              #34
                              Re: Element FLX-3210 no power

                              I've fixed a similar power supply in a Polaroid TV. I had to replace 10 HEC caps that were not bulging but had high ESR. You may have others you haven't discovered yet, so it might not be a bad idea to replace all the lower voltage caps to prevent a future catastrophic failure.
                              LG Plasma Mal-Discharge Correction Service

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