Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #21
    Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

    Please the PIX.
    Attached Files
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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    • tom66
      EVs Rule
      • Apr 2011
      • 32560
      • UK

      #22
      Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

      If you used a poor quality primary cap and it failed it would damage the PFC stage (MOSFET, diode and cap at a minimum usually.)
      Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
      For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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      • davcom1
        Member
        • May 2009
        • 23
        • UK

        #23
        Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

        Ok, have removed the cap and tested as best I can... connected to DMM at 2000k ohms setting and resistance rises. Then tested voltage across terminals after 30 seconds or so and it read 0.2V

        Photo attached shows top of board where cap was located. No obvious signs of damage here.

        Did notice a tell tale "sizzle" as I de-soldered suggesting I had left flux on the terminals.
        Attached Files

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        • selldoor
          Slow Learner
          • Dec 2010
          • 7870

          #24
          Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

          It does look repairable, its around now I wished I'd made my usual request for pictures
          of both sides of the boards early on. What is the part number of the board ?
          Clean up the area with some isopropyl alcohol and take another close up of the damage zone. Just by the mains socket on the board is a black encased fuse - can you check it.


          Dont need another pic - Budm has marked the traces out.
          Last edited by selldoor; 08-24-2012, 11:19 AM. Reason: dont need pic
          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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          • davcom1
            Member
            • May 2009
            • 23
            • UK

            #25
            Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

            budm - tested as per your pic and is reading open circuit. I get a resistance of 8.36 at 20k setting between the vertical upper and lower leg of what I guess is the MOSFET.

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            • davcom1
              Member
              • May 2009
              • 23
              • UK

              #26
              Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

              selldoor - the fuse has not blown at the power input. Do you still want another pic of the damaged area?

              Part no of board is GPAC 211424A rev 2.1

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              • selldoor
                Slow Learner
                • Dec 2010
                • 7870

                #27
                Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                No - see edit - Budm has marked out the traces so if it needs wires to mend the traces we can see where they should go. Do Budms resistance check and post result
                Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                • davcom1
                  Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 23
                  • UK

                  #28
                  Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                  Getting called away for an hour now by the other 'arf as she wants to go shopping... doh!

                  Have quickly done a diode check across the large one close to where the pop happened and it had a reading of 450?

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                  • davcom1
                    Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 23
                    • UK

                    #29
                    Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                    selldoor - sorry, I did check the resistance as per the image from budm and posted it (#25)

                    It read as an open circuit. Am guessing the cap removed makes no difference to this.

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                    • davcom1
                      Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 23
                      • UK

                      #30
                      Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                      Hi all,

                      Thanks for the advice so far but now I'm at a loss as to what to do next?

                      I tested the other MOSFETs on the board and they all had similar readings. Do I just put it all back together, replace the 5A fuse in the plug and repair the PCB trace and hope for the best?

                      I still have the option of a replacement board if it all goes bang again!

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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 40746
                        • USA

                        #31
                        Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                        You need to use jumper wire to fix that blown trace. Since the MOSFET check open, I still would like you to look at the body of the MOSFET to make sure there is no sign of damage on the body, it could have blown so bad that it went open circuits. For the copper trace to blow and took out 5A fuse, something shorted badly to cause that kind of damage.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • selldoor
                          Slow Learner
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7870

                          #32
                          Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                          To save big blow-outs you could rig something like this
                          antiqueradio.org/dimbulb.htm
                          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                          • davcom1
                            Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 23
                            • UK

                            #33
                            Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                            Thanks budm and selldoor.

                            I hadn't read the dim bulb idea before I put the main capacitor back in place and soldered in a wire to jump the damaged trace.

                            Plugged in and switched on and the TV works again... (!!)

                            Does the jumper wire need to be particularly large in diameter? At present, I've used wire comparible to the other existing wire jumpers as per my image on post #23

                            I also remembered to give the soldered areas a good clean off this time too as I'm pretty sure it was excess flux that did the damage.

                            Regards,

                            David

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                            • tom66
                              EVs Rule
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 32560
                              • UK

                              #34
                              Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                              Replace the cap with a decent quality one - it will only fail again like the Samxon.
                              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                              • selldoor
                                Slow Learner
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 7870

                                #35
                                Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                                Originally posted by davcom1
                                Does the jumper wire need to be particularly large in diameter? At present, I've used wire comparible to the other existing wire jumpers as per my image on post #23
                                Should be ok trace is only thin even if wide. If you can get at it when the tv is on check to see if you can see it overheating - BUT remember dont touch it until the big caps has discharged. Invest in a good name cap as Tom says.
                                Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                                • davcom1
                                  Member
                                  • May 2009
                                  • 23
                                  • UK

                                  #36
                                  Re: Rapid flashing screen Vistron LCD TV - PSU or Inverter or?

                                  Thanks to everyone for your help and advice with this - much appreciated.

                                  I've now ordered a Rubycon cap to replace the Lelon.

                                  David

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