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    My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

    I broke down and bought a new Seasonic OEM unit for my new system build. It is a 650w version, number SS-650JT.

    Anyway, without boring you further, here's the pics:

    http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...h/hpim0504.jpg

    http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...h/hpim0503.jpg

    http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...h/hpim0502.jpg

    As you can see, we have quite the selection of caps on the secondary side. OST RLP, RLX, one JPCE-TUR cap, and what I think is a lonely Teapo toward the right hand side of that third image.

    Why would a quality company like Seasonic pull a fast one and shove less than quality caps in it's PSU's? I can take more pics if requested; the Vapochill doesn't arrive until Tuesday.

    OBTW, the rest of the build:

    QX9650
    Biostar TP35D2-A7
    4GB DDR2-800
    1TB Samsung F1 hard drive
    Coolermaster 541 case
    Vapochill LS
    etc...

    Edit: I meant to post this in the PSU forum. Mod please move it over there.
    Last edited by acstech; 01-18-2008, 03:21 PM.
    A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
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    #2
    Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

    damn that is a disappointment. is anything sacred anymore?
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      #3
      Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

      OST and Teapo... well, they just lost my (potential) business. Especially when you consider how pricey Seasonic PSU are.

      I'd rather continue buying the Sparkle ATX-350PN, and recap them. None of my clients have exotic power demands nor SLI requirements. Basic servers and workstations, but they need reliable PSUs.

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        #4
        Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

        What do you guys think? Should I...

        1. Send it back and get an S12
        2. Recap it now
        3. Use it for the warranty period the way it is then recap it
        4. Use it and forget about it
        5.

        I just noticed it's no longer listed on the 'egg.
        A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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          #5
          Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

          Seasonic still shows it in their online catalog.

          I suppose it depends upon the price paid, and how much hassle you will tolerate. The photos show a tightly clustered board, which might make getting to inside caps a bit tough. YMMV.

          If they bill it as premium caps, and it obviously came with junk, I personally would send it back. Problem is, Newegg isn't responsible for this. If you could contact Seasonic, tell them WTF? and get a good one directly from them, it would make an impact. RMA to Newegg doesn't affect Seasonic much at all.

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            #6
            Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

            has anyone actually seen seasonic oem units with good caps. maybe they are different to the retail ones?
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              #7
              Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

              remember oem units are built to oem specs.
              this means bean counters speced cheaper parts to reduce cost.
              a retail unit may well have a better grade of parts.

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                #8
                Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                Originally posted by acstech
                What do you guys think? Should I...

                1. Send it back and get an S12
                we is going for that presently
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                  #9
                  Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                  Well I decided to go ahead and build the dumb thing. But I ran into a snag:

                  Whenever I try to install the operating system (XP Pro x64) it will hang on the blue "copying files" screen. The copying process will get slower, and slower, until it claims it cannot find a file, usually around 2-3%. After that, it will not copy any more files, or even induce any activity on the CD drive.

                  This is a motherboard with a P35 chipset, and a J-Micro 368 PATA IDE controller.

                  Any ideas? I tried disabling ACPI in the bios, but then x64 wont start setup, claiming I disabled AHCI, which I did not.
                  Last edited by acstech; 01-19-2008, 04:05 PM.
                  A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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                    #10
                    Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                    memtest86+ at current settings
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                      #11
                      Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                      Originally posted by acstech

                      Whenever I try to install the operating system (XP Pro x64) it will hang on the blue "copying files" screen. The copying process will get slower, and slower, until it claims it cannot find a file, usually around 2-3%. After that, it will not copy any more files, or even induce any activity on the CD drive.
                      Sounds like possibly a bad CD or DVD drive or tempermental CD or DVD drive.

                      LiteOns seem to hate low temps the most! You may have to warm the CD or DVD drive with your hands for that behavior to stop. Also, rest your hand on the CD or DVD drive tray until it feels like room temp.
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                        #12
                        Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                        Originally posted by acstech
                        This is a motherboard with a P35 chipset, and a J-Micro 368 PATA IDE controller.
                        Again that damn Jmicron: the pata-only JMB363 works fine, but the 368 often locks drives and make them invisible to os. If you don't use any pata device and you can survive without the e-sata port, try disabling the Jmicron in bios.
                        BTW, you could enable the JMB368 and setting to Ahci: drives should be recognized at boot, but XP64 need drivers for Ahci and I don't know if Jmicron released any driver for XP64...

                        Zandrax
                        Last edited by zandrax; 01-19-2008, 04:47 PM. Reason: correction: no Asus board here
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                          #13
                          Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                          It is no secret, that Seasonic is using mediocre caps in OEM and other series of PSU`s.
                          There are several topic here which have documented this.
                          The only exclusion are the later S12 retail series PSU (the older lower wattage S12 units where not populated with good caps), which are AFAIK exclusively equipped with Chemicon and Rubycon capacitors.

                          Think about it, why you have bought the OEM unit? may be as it was significantly cheaper then the retail S12 series? So are the components used.

                          Beyond that, any of the bigger SMPS manufacturers will produce what they are asked to do. There is no company, which will give you a decent unit for a bargain or would refuse an OEM job due to their affinity of high quality capacitors.

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                            #14
                            Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                            Originally posted by gonzo0815
                            It is no secret, that Seasonic is using mediocre caps in OEM and other series of PSU`s.
                            You're right: even Corsairs [manifactured by Seasonic] employ Fuhjyyu caps.
                            Fortron is like Seasonic or does use better capacitors (e.g. Ost)?

                            Zandrax
                            Have an happy life.

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                              #15
                              Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                              Will: Done, pass. I do that on all new system builds before installing the OS.

                              RJARRRPCGP: It's a Samsung unit, verified good in a test computer for a few months. Media works fine in other computers, and even with this same drive in the test computer.

                              zandrax: So I need a SATA optical drive? I have a PATA optical drive, and a SATA hard drive.

                              I have several PCI IDE cards; if I could make one of those boot to the CD drive I'd use that. Anyone know a way that can be done?

                              Gonzo: Yes, I know, but it seems like there would be much more effective ways to cut costs than caps. What are they saving, like 5 cents?
                              A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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                                #16
                                Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                                wonder if we go from patchy sata optical support to patchy ide optical support on the new chipsets.....
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                                  #17
                                  Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                                  Originally posted by acstech
                                  zandrax: So I need a SATA optical drive? I have a PATA optical drive, and a SATA hard drive.

                                  I have several PCI IDE cards; if I could make one of those boot to the CD drive I'd use that. Anyone know a way that can be done?
                                  You could buy a sata -> pata adapter: this allows your cd player to be connected to P35's sata ports. Look for explicit Atapi or cdrom support - cheaper ones usually skim on and are useful for Ata drives only (mostly hard disks).
                                  OTOH, enable again the Jmicron and try changing some related bios settings: e.g. Jmicron mode to Ide to Sata, Ahci or Raid. On Asus boards (which employ this chip too) changing to Ide to Ahci sometimes clears the boot issues.

                                  Zandrax
                                  Have an happy life.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                                    It's all a load of marketing CRAP if you ask me.

                                    Manufacturers of PSU's do not have to fork over big $$ for expensive parts like the latest chipsets and relative to a motherboard a PSU is damned simple to build.

                                    PSU's are not rocket science.
                                    Aside from minor controller changes they haven't changed much internally in years.

                                    There is not a reason in the world a reliable PSU should cost more than $50.
                                    Certianly it should be a LOT less than a new motherboard at any given time.

                                    -

                                    The PSU manufacturers have the market by the nuts and they know it.
                                    - They know they can build crap and we HAVE to buy or go without.
                                    - And they know we CAN'T go without....

                                    All it will take is ONE manufacturer with sufficient volume capacity (and a good marketing plan) to LEGITIMATELY prioritize "quality at a low price" over "profit per unit" as their operating strategy and 1/2 or more of these companies pumping out crap will be out of business within a year.
                                    The money grubbers won't be able to regroup the manufacturing side fast enough to recreate their reputation fast enough to hold on to enough of the market to even compete with such a company.

                                    -

                                    Emachines jumped into the system market and grabbed a huge share by selling dirt cheap systems and pumping them out fast. They only lost it because the machines they sold were crap.
                                    -
                                    What I'm saying is if a manufacturer of PSU's does the same thing...
                                    ... only the product is NOT crap....
                                    ... they will be the KING of the PSU market for years.

                                    And, with the difference between what it actually costs to build a *GOOD* PSU and what PSUs currently sell for, the gate is wide open for someone to do this.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                                      Pcbonez: Excellent post. Mirrors my thoughts exactly. Makes me want to get into PSU manufacturing.

                                      I figured out my other problem. You'll never believe this. It was the hard drive! I took the optical drive, media, and HD over to the test computer and tried to install it there. Just like clockwork, "Setup cannot copy the file:" But when I use a different (spare) HD, it works just fine. Go figure.

                                      So in goes the 200GB drive from the test computer, and we're off and running.

                                      OBTW, that Vapochill is kicking some serious ass. I'll be back with pics when the whole OS deal is straightened out.
                                      A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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                                        #20
                                        Re: My new Seasonic has questionable caps.

                                        No kiddin'

                                        If I had the money to, I'd do it myself. (PSU manufacturing.)
                                        - If for no other reason that it would PLEASE ME NO END to put these ya-whos, that have wasted billions of hours other peoples time, OUT OF BUSINESS for good.

                                        I don't want the money. I want REVENGE!

                                        .
                                        Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                        - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                        -
                                        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                        - Dr Seuss
                                        -
                                        You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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