Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

[PCBONEZ]

http://datacent.com/datarecovery/hdd...te/ST3250410AS

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[pentium]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

the 7200.7?!
S%&t, looks like it's time to start backing up and moving to a different drive.

[kikkoman]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

that site is
a) quite informative when it comes to hard drive sounds but
b) VERY unspecific. they do list lots of models but every page says the same thing:

"These are some real problems experienced by (model) and (brand) hard drives in general."
they say exactly the same thing about the average cheapo Maxtor and a RE2.

the bottom line is "every brand has serious issues" which of course is true but they don't really mention more specific and representative data (apart from well known cases like the old IBM fiasco and 7200.11 FW issues etc).

so, don't take them by their word.

but... you still have a 7200.7 running? how old are these? 5 or 6 years? that's impressive by today's means but yes, a backup might be a good idea.

PS: you may laugh but i have the slight impression that i had less HDD failures since my HDDs are mounted vertically.

[pentium]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

Actually, recently I have been getting lots of SMART errors so this also kinda proves to me that the IDE controller was not the problem.
I guess I finally have that excuse to get dual 1TB drives now.
...that is after some very selective shopping to find a model drive that does not have shitty firmware.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

I don't think it's unspecific except when being specific isn't called for.
It's an outline for non-techs not a freakin' repair guide.

There is no reason to be specific about drives that don't have any major wide spread problems.
When there isn't they say basically "the usual problem with ___ drives is _____."
- 'WHEN they fail' is implied by the context.
- They are NOT saying if it's a ____ then it's going to ____.
- "WHEN a Quantum fails it's usually bad sectors."
That's exactly as legitimate and correct as saying "When an Antec fails it's usually bad capacitors." or "Dell GX270's usualy fail because of capacitors".

Further, except for the Seagate problem I've heard about ALL the other model specific problems they talked about before from other places.
And as to the Seagates. About a year ago I was helping someone with one of those drives and he made recording of the noise to send me. Never did figure out the drive's problem he just replaced the drive to get past it.
- The noise in one of their recodings is the same noise his drive made.

- I'm going to take their word for it on the Seagates.
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[stevo1210]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

I have two 7200.7s running at the moment. About 6 years+ and still kicking strong.

[dood]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

Just got in a PC with a dead 40gb 7200.7. Date code is 06107. Still under warranty until Sep 2010.

In trying to get the data off of it, it will just lock up any system it's attached to. No bad noises coming from the drive, and it spins up normally.

[willawake]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

that site is
a) quite informative when it comes to hard drive sounds but
b) VERY unspecific. they do list lots of models but every page says the same thing:

exactly

[Per Hansson]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

I think they are quite spot on
I read all pages, I can relate to most what they write

But the saddest part is I recognize on almost all of their HDD soundfiles
How sad is that?!
Too much computer work me thinks!

[Scenic]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

7200.7 too?! oh crap..

i'm using 2 of these (120GB SATA) in a RAID0 array .. damn..

gotta buy some new WDs.. again, two of them.. ain't going to be cheap for me

[gg1978]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

Meh, As far as the dead hard drives that i keep around for board swaps, mainly drives that i've replaced myself, Maxtor and WD lead seagate in the "dead or dying drive" pile.. Though i just did work on a two year old Dell that had a 7200.9 die..

[i4004]

Re: Seagate 7200.7, 7200.8, 7200.9 and 7200.10, um, Turds

site says
"Reading becomes more and more unstable, the drive starts losing tracks and at some point typical symptoms or bad heads appear - clicking, knocking, sweeping sounds:,,making the data inaccessible."

and that's slow death, just like any drive will eventually suffer...
so i'm gonna chime in with kikko and willa when it comes to this warning...
it's not credilble to put all those series under same banner of "bad drives"...

oh yeah, i have 7200.7, bought it in may 2005.
surely beats those maxtors that worked year and a half and then stopped(turn it off ok, turn it on next day, nothing...bios on platters destroyed, drive is junk)

and 7200.7 is probably best hdd series (overall) according to storagereview user data...

they'll be used untill they work. (one 120 and one 40gb)
when they fail, i have new wd 160gb ready to be deployed into this machine(copy of seagate 40 and 120 drives on it)...it's waiting on the shelf...

>a backup might be a good idea.

backup is a good idea no matter the drive mfr or series...

but being lazy and not worrying too much is also not bad idea, esp. if your data is not THAT relevant and you have backup(not fairly recent though) anyway...hehe...
(that goes for me...you all proceed with doing backup once a week do you hear me!!??
<wink> )

i cloned the system drive recently and i also have the image of "universal" system drive(hdd driver agnostic), so now i'll just "stop worrying and love the bomb"...
because after a while you ask "how many images i have, and how much space THEY take and how do i manage it all?"...huh...

>gotta buy some new WDs.. again, two of them.. ain't going to be cheap for me

yeah, prices seem not to be falling anymore..i said i would buy one more when price hits the particular (low) point (which was already reached a while ago, but went back up), but it seems it could be a long wait...
then again i already have about 1TB of stuff that needs processing/pruning/burning to dvdrs(mainly video), and buying more storage just means less work will be done...
you'll just keep dumping on them, and no real work will be done to archive it for real....