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    #1

    Installing Vista

    I am not a real componet level Tech like most of you people are but I do program a few PC's now and then. At some point I know that somebody is going to want me to upgrade their PC from whatever to Windows Vista. Is upgrading to or installing a full version of Vista and easy install? I know that most of the junk PC's that I work on don't even meet the min sys requirments for vista. My best PC that I own would become an instant dog if I were to put Vista on it. It may even need more Ram to run this Vista. I'm a P4 2.8 with 256 megs of DDR Ram.
    "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
    Mark Twain

    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
    John Paul Jones

    There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
    Rod Serling
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    #2
    Re: Installing Vista

    You want to load Vista on a machine with 256mb of RAM? 1 gig is bare minimum. I'm currently on a P4 3.2ghz machine with a gig of ram. I've got Lotus Notes, this IE window, and Trillian running (plus Kaspersky Anti-Virus), and physical memory is currently 72% used. If I get to doing something, it maybe hits 80% and then just builds up in the page file from there.

    Vista is a dog, but it probably wouldn't be so bad with at least 2 gigs of RAM.
    Ludicrous gibs!

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      #3
      Re: Installing Vista

      XP would struggle with 256mb of RAM, vista would totally hurl. Vista is still the gold plated turd... No matter how much they polish it up, it's still shit on the inside... Avoid it!
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        #4
        Re: Installing Vista

        Thanks guys. The Original Gold Plated Turd Was Windows ME. I guess that Windows Vista is the Windows ME II version of the same kind of Turd. I don't like turds!
        "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
        Mark Twain

        "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
        John Paul Jones

        There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
        Rod Serling

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          #5
          Re: Installing Vista

          Originally posted by Junk Parts
          Thanks guys. The Original Gold Plated Turd Was Windows ME. I guess that Windows Vista is the Windows ME II version of the same kind of Turd. I don't like turds!
          Hey! You guys forget that I work for the local water an sewer utility. Turds are a good thing. Don't dirty up their reputation by comparing them to Vista.

          We affectionately refer to them as "brown trout". My co-worker calls the paper stuff "Mr. Hanky". Yes, he has small children at home, can't you tell?

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            #6
            Re: Installing Vista

            If anyone reads PC Magazine, here's John Dvorak's latest comment WRT Vista: "Vista is essentially the old hooker with a bad facelift and too much makeup. She also can't remember her customers."

            A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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              #7
              Re: Installing Vista

              Curse that Dvorak,
              That makes XP my sister.
              Jim

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                #8
                Re: Installing Vista

                Hey Paul S,
                Before I got disabled I was a Millwright and was sent to work at the "Treatment Plants" now and then. Brown Trout....Mr.Hanky I like that! We had a saying for the aroma too. The first guy would say, "Do you smell that?" and the second guy would come right back to him with "Yes I do...It smells like MONEY to me"... I do miss those huge Union Millwright paychecks from when I was on the 7/12 hour jobs. The smell of the "Treatment Plants" is one thing that I don't miss at all for some reason. I have a friend who lives for tout fishing, and he's good at it too. Maybe I should take him over to the "Treatment Plant" and see if he can get one of those Brown Trout to Bite!
                "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
                Mark Twain

                "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
                John Paul Jones

                There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
                Rod Serling

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                  #9
                  Re: Installing Vista

                  My ex-brother-in-law works at a wastewater treatment plant (I used to work at a water treatment plant). Women often flush down their sanitary pads, these pads have two or three strips of glue on them, running lengthwise. When he would see them floating around in the digester (treatment tank), he thought that they were chipmunks!

                  I'm not sure if he actually thought this, or if he was pulling my leg. He is from West Virginia, and I couldn't tell with his hillbilly drawl.

                  On the Millwright subject, that is a very honorable job. Before water, I worked at a firm where I machined, assembled, tested and shipped paper converting machinery. I never took an apprenticeship, but a Millwright is close to what I did. The machines I built made disposable diapers, and yes, those sanitary pads mentioned before.
                  Everything has come full circle.
                  Last edited by Paul S; 07-15-2008, 04:24 AM.

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                    #10
                    Re: Installing Vista

                    Paul S we have done similar things in life. I still can't spell! Before I got into the Millwright Local 1548 I ran a CNC milling table for WMC Staley. We built box making, and printing equipment. My Trout Fishing Buddy was my Boss at Staley back then. His original home is in Red Creek West Virginia. After Staley went under my friend worked for 20 years as a Millwright for the Baltimore Gas and Electric Company. A Funny thing about my Buddy, if any Crow, Black Bird, Starling, Fox, Wolf, Bob Cat, Cougar, House Cat, Groud Hog, Coon, Opossum, Rat, Mouse, Mole, Snake, Eel, Ant, or Fly crosses his path it ends up dead! I saw him take out a crow at 90 yards with a .22 short using iron sights.When we were fishing a few weeks back he snagged a water snake. It didn't stand a chance! He bashed it on the rocks, and sliced its head right off before it even opened its mouth to bite! They need to send him after Bin Laden. All we need to tell him is that its open season, and there is no limit.... He'd Get it done...
                    "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
                    Mark Twain

                    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
                    John Paul Jones

                    There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
                    Rod Serling

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                      #11
                      Re: Installing Vista

                      Take Windows Vista out back and put it out of its misery .

                      Windows ME lol I remember that I went to a Microsoft conference about it and they hyped it so much. It was an unstable piece of crap.

                      When I ran Windows ME I used to say my computer is as unstable as Charles Manson and it needs help !

                      As for Vista I bought a Compaq with it once but I returned it when for some reason I couldn't install XP on it after a format .

                      So I returned it to Walmart and built my own box SUPRISE!!! No installation problems.

                      If memory serves it was because the DOS portion of the XP setup didn't have the right SATA drivers to install on the SATA drive and of course Compaq didn't have them on their site.

                      Plus the only way that I could install the drives (if I had them) was through a floppy disk what kind of crap is that ?

                      Lets bust out my 5.25 double density disks while were at it . Anyone remember those?

                      Why I couldn't simply pop in a burnt CDR is beyond me.

                      Makes me wonder if Compaq purposefully did that to prevent the installation of XP?

                      Anyhoo I should wrap this up before I start to ramble .
                      Last edited by Krankshaft; 07-15-2008, 01:25 PM.
                      Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                        #12
                        Re: Installing Vista

                        Well, SATA has always this issue, the only way to circumvent this is either to make your own OS installation CD with integrated drivers (e.g. with Nlite) or to disable AHCI mode in BIOS setup and let the HDD `s run in IDE compatibility mode.
                        But you may not find this option in usual VISTA ready OEM systems.

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                          #13
                          Re: Installing Vista

                          The problem was that SATA was still in its infancy in 2001 when XP was released which mean't that it had limited support.

                          Running in IDE compatable mode didn't know about that one.

                          On a related hard drive note on a few of my XP installations I was tired and forgot to partition the drives correctly so a 250 gig drive for example only had around 150 gigs available.

                          Luckily I had Partition Commander to save me and it resized the NTFS partition . I'm suprised XP doesn't have this type of support built in the crappy program in computer management is useless for this sort of thing.

                          It told me that I messed up and there was unallocated space but it couldn't resize.
                          Last edited by Krankshaft; 07-15-2008, 07:02 PM.
                          Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                            #14
                            Re: Installing Vista

                            Krank- XP does support large format drives. I currently have a 250gb drive as a slave, and all of it is useable. I _think_ you have to have at least SP1 embedded in the installer to make it work, though. I could be wrong on that...
                            Ludicrous gibs!

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                              #15
                              Re: Installing Vista

                              Oh ok so thats why I had a feeling something was amiss.

                              I have integrated SP2 into my personal copy of XP and it worked fine. I didn't do it for large HDD support just because I was lazy and hated installing SP2 .

                              However integration didn't work on a volume licence copy that I have for some reason so I guess its partitioning software and manually installing SP2 with it.
                              Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                                #16
                                Re: Installing Vista

                                As i recall, SATA as a motherboard implemented standard didn't exist until 2003 at least.. The ICH5 southbridge of the i865 chipset had two SATA ports, and that was the middle of 2003.. On the AMD side, it wasn't an integral part of the southbridge chipset until Nforce 3. SOme old Nforce boards had SATA, but it was an addon chip soldered to the board, and they had to have the floppy or integrated drivers on the OS install CD..

                                As to Vista, i don't consider it nearly as bad as ME.. I've got it at work now, and i've tried it out at home, no major problems.. I think we've all gotten a bit spoiled on XP's rather long life though..

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Installing Vista

                                  Vista Home Premium requires 0.97gb to load the aero interface. You can recover about 100mb memory by switching to the Classic interface.

                                  I'm doing image building at a State office now, and testing shows there is nothing to be gained by a workstation running AHCI vs. IDE compatibility mode. Just as well, as the new laptops do not have a floppy drive for F6 installation of the SATA/AHCI drivers. That leaves slipstreaming as the only option, and the client says "no" to that one.

                                  Vista blows. Last week I got a flyer saying MS is no longer selling new XP... no more Dells, HP business class machines with XP. Time to buy Macs.

                                  I wonder how long MS will hang on to this sorry piece of shit, until they release "XP Classic" (remember New Coke? The WinME of soft drinks).

                                  WinCE+WinME+WinNT = CEMENT. Guaranteed to sink your machine like a rock.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Installing Vista

                                    Tell me it ain't so!!!! I use Xp and I only have one true legal copy of Xp home. I have to use some other copy of Xp Pro on the wifes PC because it isn't a Dell. They were still listing Xp pro for sale at Tiger direct as of yesterday, and I keep saying that I need to buy a copy for her PC someday.
                                    "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
                                    Mark Twain

                                    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
                                    John Paul Jones

                                    There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
                                    Rod Serling

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Installing Vista

                                      Originally posted by dood
                                      Krank- XP does support large format drives. I currently have a 250gb drive as a slave, and all of it is useable. I _think_ you have to have at least SP1 embedded in the installer to make it work, though. I could be wrong on that...
                                      You're exactly right. SP1 and higher support drives over 100gb.

                                      If you found ME to crash, did you try locking the cache down. As I understand once the cache allocation was locked down the crashing wouldn't happen, by default the OS allocated until error. Search google for

                                      [386ENH]
                                      ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1
                                      [VCACHE]
                                      ChunkSize=1024
                                      MinFileCache=65536
                                      MaxFileCache=65536

                                      Once fixed, I never found ME to crash much. If I could still use it I would in a blink, much faster all around than anything new.
                                      Rubycon Rubycon Rubycon

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Installing Vista

                                        Mr. Fizzycapola I had a problem with my first large drive years ago. The PC Had a AMD K6/2@450mhz, and the OS was Win ME.The drive was a 160 or 180 Gig Maxtor. The install cd for the large drive loaded some kind of smoke and mirrows secondary bios in order to use all of the new drive. In other words it formatted the new large drive as many smaller drives, and that made my AMD into a true K9. I think another problem was that my boards ATA controller was only Ultra ATA 33, and the new drive was Ultra ATA 100. I made my brother happy when I gave him the large drive, and put my old 20 gig back in the PC. Another problem that I ran into with ME was a memory issue. If my memory serves...I had 512 megs of PC133 Ram in that one. Every now and then ME would tell me that I didn't have enough memory installed or some such crap. The only fix I found for that was to reinstall ME when ever it came up with this RAM issue. Still if I had all the ME drivers for this "Newer" Dell I would be running ME again in a heartbeat! It would fly on this P4 2.8. Maybe when I find another good 40 gig drive I'll load ME on it and see how bad the driver issue is with it. If I can get the PC online with ME I can find whatever it may need.....Well maybe I can...LOL
                                        "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
                                        Mark Twain

                                        "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
                                        John Paul Jones

                                        There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
                                        Rod Serling

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