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  • Th3_uN1Qu3
    Believe in
    • Jul 2010
    • 6031
    • Romania

    #1

    Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

    Now that ACF tape is available to buy and doesn't cost an arm and a leg (it's still pricey, but 50m of tape for $80-something sounds fair to me, considering the size of a tab), i have decided to build my own bonding machine.

    The few builds i have seen use a commercial bonding head and that costs $3000 to $5000 - OUCH. I was thinking more like $50.

    I have read the datasheet for the Hitachi ACF tape and it occurs to me that the requirements are not very stringent - the tape should reach 160 to 180C for 20 to 30 seconds, at a certain pressure applied by the bonding head. A suggested temperature (305C) for the bonding head is also given in the datasheet, and the only requirement for the head's shape is that it must have an even surface where it presses down on the tab (duh). There are no slopes required as it is with soldering BGAs, temperature just needs to get up there as fast as possible, stick there for 30 seconds then cool down. So the design of the control circuit is also easier.

    I have already chosen my heating element (it's a surprise, you'll laugh) and completed the design of the control circuit - all that's left is making the PCB. There is no microcontroller and no firmware involved, it's all analog. The output drives a relay so any kind of heating element can be used, and the input is a normal type K thermocouple. Control is accomplished via a couple pots and switches. The circuit turns the heater completely off once the time set has elapsed, and can also run a fan if desired.

    Anyone else interested?
    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
    A working TV? How boring!
  • vinceroger69
    Badcaps Legend
    • Mar 2012
    • 6714
    • uk

    #2
    Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

    This looks a great project what are you going to use to align the tab bonds back up?

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    • diif
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2014
      • 6978
      • England

      #3
      Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

      Yeah, definitely interested, once my daughter's 18th is out of the way i'll have some spare cash to chip in on some tape if needed.

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      • Alastair E
        Chief Womble
        • Mar 2013
        • 1963
        • U.K.

        #4
        Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

        Originally posted by vinceroger69
        This looks a great project what are you going to use to align the tab bonds back up?
        A good lightsource and a simple microscope would be OK for this...
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        • Th3_uN1Qu3
          Believe in
          • Jul 2010
          • 6031
          • Romania

          #5
          Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

          I have a HD webcam i bought for $3.50 at a yard sale. You can find cheap stick-on microscope zoom lenses on ebay. A few high brightness LEDs should do for light source.
          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
          A working TV? How boring!

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          • dick_barton
            Badcaps Legend
            • Aug 2015
            • 6642
            • Wales

            #6
            Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

            Very interesting.

            1. Does the panel also have to be preheated so as to minimize the stress on the glass when attempting to bond.

            2. This one is a bit more difficult to explain.
            I believe though may be wrong that the adhesive has conductive particles in suspension within it and when sufficient heat and pressure is applied to the adhesive, a connection is made, top to bottom.

            The tracks on the panel have a certain height (thickness of track).
            The tracks on the ribbons also have a certain height (thickness of track).
            The applied pressure must be enough to make a connection between top and bottom tracks (A) but not between the spaces between each track (B). This is achieved because distance A is less then distance B.
            So would it be critical to know the amount of pressure required on the bonding head to complete the task successfully.
            Attached Files
            Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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            • stj
              Great Sage 齊天大聖
              • Dec 2009
              • 30934
              • Albion

              #7
              Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

              the panels arent virgin, how do you clean them first? !!

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              • Th3_uN1Qu3
                Believe in
                • Jul 2010
                • 6031
                • Romania

                #8
                Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                The panels may need to be preheated locally only if the bonding heater is weak. Glass has a higher thermal resistance than copper, so if anything, the PCB bond will need more power than the glass one.

                As for cleaning, Hitachi says in their datasheet that the stuff will come off with acetone or toluene.
                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                A working TV? How boring!

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                • llonen
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 495
                  • hampshire

                  #9
                  Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                  I might be interested in this and did look into it in quite some detail a while ago, one of the stopping points for me was sourcing replacement COF assemblies.
                  Last edited by llonen; 10-25-2016, 08:54 AM.

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                  • Th3_uN1Qu3
                    Believe in
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 6031
                    • Romania

                    #10
                    Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                    Cracked panels...
                    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                    A working TV? How boring!

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                    • Th3_uN1Qu3
                      Believe in
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 6031
                      • Romania

                      #11
                      Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                      Pressure wise things aren't as critical as one might think, the only risk Hitachi mentions in the datasheet is the tape squishing and coming out the sides, which would make for a weak bond in the middle.

                      The way the tape works is it has microscopic strips of conductive material (gold for the tape destined for glass bonding, nickel for the one intended to bond to the PCB), which are significantly thinner than the spacing between 2 traces on the flex and panel. So shorting between traces is impossible.
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by Th3_uN1Qu3; 10-25-2016, 09:46 AM. Reason: added attachments
                      Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                      Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                      A working TV? How boring!

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                      • tibimakai
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 3680
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                        These Romanians and there improvisations.
                        In almost every forum, I find some smart Romanian doing something, that others didn't.
                        I'm from there as well, but left in 96.

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                        • Th3_uN1Qu3
                          Believe in
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 6031
                          • Romania

                          #13
                          Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                          Well i saw an Indian guy presenting in crappy "HD" video (probably shot on a cellphone) a homebuilt ACF bonding machine, so if some Indian guy can do it, so can I.
                          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                          A working TV? How boring!

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                          • mockingbird
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 5484
                            • -

                            #14
                            Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                            Originally posted by tibimakai
                            These Romanians and there improvisations.
                            In almost every forum, I find some smart Romanian doing something, that others didn't.
                            I'm from there as well, but left in 96.
                            Agreed... If the saying "necessity is the mother of invention" was ever so appropriate, it would be for our great Romanian member Th3_uN1Qu3...

                            I'd give him my boards for re-work anyday over a so-called "professional" with $10,000 equipment.

                            Just look at Louise Rossman - what a filthy mouth and such shoddy work.

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                            • goontron
                              5000!
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 4108
                              • US

                              #15
                              Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                              Originally posted by mockingbird
                              Agreed... If the saying "necessity is the mother of invention" was ever so appropriate, it would be for our great Romanian member Th3_uN1Qu3...

                              I'd give him my boards for re-work anyday over a so-called "professional" with $10,000 equipment.

                              Just look at Louise Rossman - what a filthy mouth and such shoddy work.
                              If you ask me that's all the work Apple gear is good enough for... shoddy work for a shoddy machine, from a shoddy company with shoddy practices!
                              Last edited by goontron; 10-26-2016, 11:40 AM.
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                              • tibimakai
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 3680
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                                I have picked up a broken Kenwood DNN990HD, with corrupted software(linux).
                                Another Romanian(Radu/Intel/Germany) helped me out on another forum, via Skype. He spent a couple of hours like three-four times, until we(he) fixed it.
                                This is in different field, but still applies that we make things happen.
                                When I was still in Romania, I have made my own satelite system from scratch(after the revolution), when I mean from scratch, that means from scratch. The only things, that I have picked up, it was the dish and a windshield wiper motor and course, the high frequency electronic components.
                                I have made a modified suspension link for my Mazda CX5, that nobody had made yet. I have lowered my SUV 3-1/2".

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                                • keeney123
                                  Lauren
                                  • Sep 2014
                                  • 2536
                                  • United States

                                  #17
                                  Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                                  Originally posted by mockingbird
                                  agreed... If the saying "necessity is the mother of invention" was ever so appropriate, it would be for our great romanian member th3_un1qu3...

                                  I'd give him my boards for re-work anyday over a so-called "professional" with $10,000 equipment.

                                  Just look at louise rossman - what a filthy mouth and such shoddy work.
                                  +1

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                                  • spidey
                                    climbs
                                    • Dec 2012
                                    • 648
                                    • Cyprus

                                    #18
                                    Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                                    Hi, is there any progress on this ?

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                                    • Marian.Bella
                                      Member
                                      • Dec 2016
                                      • 12
                                      • Netherlands

                                      #19
                                      Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                                      I am also interesting about any progress, pictures, etc. ???

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                                      • capwizard
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Jun 2016
                                        • 1991
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Building a cheap ACF tape bonding machine

                                        I am also interesting...
                                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58937...................


                                        @newtothis I am Anticipating your homemade-ACF-bonding-machine. post #116 and #147
                                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...259#post670259
                                        Last edited by capwizard; 12-29-2016, 04:12 PM.

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