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  • etnietering
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Apr 2009
    • 379
    • USA

    #1

    Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

    Alright, I finally busted open my Rosewill and recapped it. I took plenty of pictures, for 370. I couldn't find any markings telling who OEMd it, so hopefully he'll be able to tell.

    Here it is, on my work table:


    Here's the label. Pretty accurate, I think. It has a big transformer, but the 33A on the 12v might be pushing things just a little....and there's something strange about the 12v, but more about that later.


    Here's the fan. Lame sleeve bearing, but the blades are dimpled so it's nearly silent, and it never runs very fast because the unit is 80+, and the case has dust filters, so I'm going to leave it for now.


    Here's an overall view - every cap is (was) a teapo. Now only the 400v one is:


    Here's the input side. Impressive input filter! Total (including by the AC receptacle) there are 3 X caps, 4 Y caps, 2 coils, and an MOV. The yellow cylinder behind the bridge rectifier is 1uF cap, I don't think it's X or Y rated though. I think it's for the APFC input.


    Here's the main filter cap - lame teapo 85C, but the top was flat and I didn't have anything to replace it with so I just left it. It should be fine for a while


    Here's an overall shot outside of the case. I'm not sure what the pots are for. Only the ATX 24 pin connector is sleeved, but the hole in the case is grommetted so I'm not worried.


    Here's the secondary side. You can't see many of the caps due to the OCP board sticking up. Also notice the lovely mess of hot glue + poorly cut plastic sheet on the back of it to keep it from shorting. There was also one of these on the solder side where all the wires come in, but I had to remove it to replace the caps.


    The secondary side replacements went thusly:

    +5vsb
    1x 2200uF @ 10v Teapo SC and 1x 1000uF @ 10v Teapo SC -> 1x 2200uF @ 10v Rubycon MCZ and 2x (yes, two) 1200uF @ 6.3v Panny FC

    -12v
    2x 470uF @ 16v Teapo SC -> 1x 1200uF @ 16v Panny FM and 1x 680uF @ 16v Panny FM

    +3.3v
    1x 3300uF@ 10v Teapo SC and 1x 2200uF @ 10v Teapo SC -> 1x 5600uF Panny FM and 1x 2700uF Panny FC

    +5v
    2x 3300uF @ 10v Teapo SC -> 1x 5600uF @ 10v Nichicon HE and 1x 1500uF @ 10v Panny FM

    +12v
    2x 2200uF @ 16v Teapo SC -> 1x 1200uF @ 16v Panny FM and 1x 3300uF @ 16v Panny FM

    all listings are in order of first cap -> PI filter coil -> second cap -> output wires. Each of the major rails got a 12.5mm cap, which I was able to jam in, and the -12v got a 10mm and an 8mm instead of 2 8mm caps.

    So here's a picture after that much work:


    Here we have the first part of the 5vsb filter (it has 2 caps after the inductor, one isn't visible). Also, that little heatsink has the 5vsb rectifier bolted to it.


    Here's the -12v PI filter. Not often do you see a full PI filter on such a useless rail! The out of focus cap way on the right is the last part of the 5vsb


    And here we have another shot of the secondary side - those 12.5mm caps are huge!


    And here's a close up of the 12v wire lands. Interesting anomaly, there is nothing connected to 12v1! Other than the OCP chip, of course. 12v2 is connected to the PCIE (which I don't use), 12v3 is connected to the 4+4 pin ATX12V/EPS12V connector, and 12v4 is connected to the 24 pin ATX connector, the molex connectors and the SATA connectors.


    Here is the solder side of the unit. Not the best soldering I've ever seen...but not the worst! Lots of little SMD resistors and capacitors, but I didn't run into any problems with them.


    There were two little 47uF @ 50v caps on the primary side, Teapo SC of course, which I replaced with Panny FC. In the back you can see the primary switching transistors, with the part numbers scratched off. ALL the part numbers, on all the ICs and to-220 and to-247 parts were scratched off. So, I don't know exactly how much current the 12v rectifier can handle, so I don't know if the 33A rating is any good. Each major rail has a to-247 package schottky pack, so I assume they're pretty good.


    And apparently there's a 15 image attachment limit, so I'll finish up in another post....
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  • etnietering
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Apr 2009
    • 379
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

    well only one more picture actually, an overall shot of it completely done:


    So the computer this is powering is my server: dual socket 604 3.066GHz Xeon, 4x 512MB ECC registered Kingston RAM, a PCI Radeon 2400, a 30GB IDE hard drive, and 5 or 6 fans. Under full load (BOINC running at 100% on all CPUs) the air coming out of the PSU is barely warm. All in all, I think it's a fairly well designed unit, but rather cheaply made, but not too bad for the price. Definitely a step up from my logisys!

    I haven't fired it up to test it, and probably won't get to for a couple days (girlfriend is coming to town and new years and stuff) but I'll report back with hopefully a success story!
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    • PCBONEZ
      Grumpy Old Fart
      • Aug 2005
      • 10661
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

      UL E307777 on the box ->
      MAGNELL ASSOCIATE INC, DBA ABS COMPUTER TECHNOLOGIES INC
      17708 ROWLAND ST
      CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA 91748 USA
      http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/t...443&sequence=1

      There is a UL on the PCB but I can't quite read it.
      Mann-Made Global Warming.
      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

      -
      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

      - Dr Seuss
      -
      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
      -

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      • etnietering
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Apr 2009
        • 379
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

        ABS is newegg, isn't it?

        On the board is E206420

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        • PCBONEZ
          Grumpy Old Fart
          • Aug 2005
          • 10661
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

          Got it: E206420

          DONGGUAN SHIJIE NEW ENERGY ELECTRONIC FACTORY E206420
          SHA YAO INDUSTRY AREA
          SHI JIE TOWN
          DONGGUAN, GUANGDONG 523290 CHINA

          [Just PCB fab.]
          Mann-Made Global Warming.
          - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

          -
          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

          - Dr Seuss
          -
          You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
          -

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          • etnietering
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Apr 2009
            • 379
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

            alright. seems like 370 can just glance at one and tell who made it...we'll see what he has to say

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            • PCBONEZ
              Grumpy Old Fart
              • Aug 2005
              • 10661
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

              UL is not 100% Manufacturer ID. - Just works sometimes.
              -
              Like Antec.
              They paid for a UL Cert. number of their own for some PSU's they sell but they don't actually build any at all.
              .
              The only reason to do that though is to hide who you OEM from.
              If they go THAT far to hide it they must be pretty embarrassed about who they buy from.
              .
              Mann-Made Global Warming.
              - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

              -
              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

              - Dr Seuss
              -
              You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
              -

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              • PCBONEZ
                Grumpy Old Fart
                • Aug 2005
                • 10661
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                The "AG" on the transformers might suggest someone but I'm not sure who.
                - Maybe ATNG ?
                Mann-Made Global Warming.
                - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                -
                Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                - Dr Seuss
                -
                You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                -

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                • etnietering
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 379
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                  He seemed to think it would either be ATNG or Solytech, so could be. Better than Keerda though, that's for sure!

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                  • stj
                    Great Sage 齊天大聖
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 31163
                    • Albion

                    #10
                    Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                    i'm surprised nobody mentioned it, but you missed a cap!
                    near the center of the board - on it's side with heatshrink sleeving over it.
                    just above the printed word "warning"

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                    • 370forlife
                      Large Marge
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 3112
                      • United States

                      #11
                      Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                      Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                      The "AG" on the transformers might suggest someone but I'm not sure who.
                      - Maybe ATNG ?
                      bingo

                      http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1012-page3.html

                      review of essentially the same psu, those pots adjust the OCP trip points. Best not to mess with them

                      Magnell is basically newegg's UL number, it also shows up on ABS products
                      Last edited by 370forlife; 12-29-2009, 09:11 AM.

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                      • 370forlife
                        Large Marge
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 3112
                        • United States

                        #12
                        Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                        Also looks like you could ad a second schottky rectifier to the 12v rail too

                        You must have gotten it early when they were sending them to reviewers so they scratched off the part numbers. Don't know why ATNG does it...

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                        • etnietering
                          Badcaps Veteran
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 379
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                          Originally posted by stj
                          i'm surprised nobody mentioned it, but you missed a cap!
                          near the center of the board - on it's side with heatshrink sleeving over it.
                          just above the printed word "warning"
                          I didn't know what that was...but on second look yes I do believe it is a cap. Any recommendations on how to get it out of the heatshrink to see what to replace it with? I don't think my little diagonal pliers are precise enough...

                          And 370 I was thinking I could add more rectifiers, but I don't know the part numbers of the ones already there. Would it be bad to add one of my 60A/45V parts there without knowing the specs of the other one? It would probably be best to just take that one out and put in 2 that I know what they are. Looks like I need to get some more desoldering braid!

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                          • 370forlife
                            Large Marge
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 3112
                            • United States

                            #14
                            Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                            I've been wondering myself if you can mix-and-match rectifiers. Need to get a really crappy psu and try it.

                            Oh wait, I have a ton.

                            I would just put two 40A or 60A matching parts there. If you want, that is. ATNG's are known for having really good voltage regulation as well as being overbuilt a bit.

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                            • kc8adu
                              Super Moderator
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 8832
                              • U.S.A!

                              #15
                              Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                              Originally posted by 370forlife
                              I've been wondering myself if you can mix-and-match rectifiers. Need to get a really crappy psu and try it.
                              the one with lowest vf will do all the work.

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                              • Toasty
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 4171

                                #16
                                Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                                >>Any recommendations on how to get it out of the heatshrink to see what to replace it with?<<
                                Remove it from unit. Split the tubing on one side at the top with a small sharp knife (X-acto). Following the line down the side where you split it, -lightly- score the tubing. Better to do it lightly twice than once hard. Don't cut through to the can or its label.

                                You should then be able to use the split and, following that score mark, peel the tubing off.
                                veritas odium parit

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                                • etnietering
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Apr 2009
                                  • 379
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                                  OK well I finally had time to work on it. The little cap was a Teapo SEK 22uF @ 50v. I replaced it with a Panasonic EB 22uF @ 50v.
                                  Fired it up and it seems to run ok. It's been hooked up to my cheesy load (3 ohms on 12v, and a couple 50 ohms and 30 ohms on the 5v and 3.3v lines) for about 15 minutes and it hasn't had any problems yet. I'll update again once I get it back in the computer.

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                                  • etnietering
                                    Badcaps Veteran
                                    • Apr 2009
                                    • 379
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                                    Well I put it back in the computer, and it's been running fine for over an hour
                                    I'll report back with any problems I have down the line...

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                                    • rocketJeff
                                      New Member
                                      • Jan 2010
                                      • 1

                                      #19
                                      Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                                      Very nice pictures of the power supply etnietering!

                                      I also purchased this unit and made a brief review at http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums...=495771#495771
                                      I also referenced your thread here!

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                                      • etnietering
                                        Badcaps Veteran
                                        • Apr 2009
                                        • 379
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Rosewill Green Series RG430-2 Recap

                                        I hope yours works out as well as mine! The reviewers are right, it is silent. In order to hear it I had to put my ear so close to the fan that it started sucking in my hair! Thanks for referencing my posts - hopefully my findings/pictures will be able to help somebody out! If you ever have a reason to open it up, can you see if the ICs, transistors, and diode packs have part numbers on them? Mine are all scratched off, and I'm curious as to it's smarts and muscle. Thanks!

                                        I've had it running 24/7 now for 2 weeks since the recap, it's 100% stable, and the voltages are rock solid.

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