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  • bianchi77
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    • Jun 2016
    • 1121
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    #121
    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    Resistors photos
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    • bianchi77
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      • Jun 2016
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      #122
      Re: 12V rail is not on ?

      those resistors are related with 2003 straight away....I'll test the transistor near by (Q5 and Q6) and show you the result...I reckon they are ok, but 2003 has a problem...

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      • bianchi77
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        • Jun 2016
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        #123
        Re: 12V rail is not on ?

        R34 and R33 suppose to be 1K ohm....I don't know what the value is after burned....could be shorted..

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        • budm
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          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
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          #124
          Re: 12V rail is not on ?

          To have those pull-up resistors burnt up, it must have lots of current flowing through them to GND return, one will be the Drive output pin 7 and pin 8 are shorted out to GND pin of 2005, or the B-E junction of Q5, Q6 through D19 to GND.
          You should verify first if those two resistors are connected to pin 7, pin 8 of the IC, then check the resistance between GND pin and pin 7, pun 8.
          BTW, one thing we know based on the diagram, the filter cap is rated at 50VDC so the supply could not have been more than 50V.
          Last edited by budm; 10-10-2016, 10:31 PM.
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          • bianchi77
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            • Jun 2016
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            #125
            Re: 12V rail is not on ?

            Q5,Q6 hfe test = 400 and Vf = 600mV
            I can't find where D19 is ?
            Last edited by bianchi77; 10-10-2016, 11:37 PM.

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            • bianchi77
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              #126
              Re: 12V rail is not on ?

              D19, I got it....near Q6 and Q5...I'll test it...
              I tested the resistance from pin 7 and 8 to GND = 300 ohm...
              D19 test...I'm doing it right now...
              Last edited by bianchi77; 10-10-2016, 11:46 PM.

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              • bianchi77
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                • Jun 2016
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                #127
                Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                D19 is ok....600mV on diode tester...

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                • budm
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                  • Feb 2010
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                  #128
                  Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                  "I tested the resistance from pin 7 and 8 to GND = 300 ohm..." That cannot be right, they are way too low. So lets say that the Supply Voltage is 35VDC, that means the current through 1K will be about 27mA and most Vdrops will be on the 1K resistor so the power dissipation for the resistors will be about 3/4 W, those 1K resistors are rated 1/8 W or more if the supply Voltage is higher than 35V.
                  Never stop learning
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                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
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                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
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                  • bianchi77
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                    • Jun 2016
                    • 1121
                    • Australia

                    #129
                    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                    Originally posted by budm
                    "I tested the resistance from pin 7 and 8 to GND = 300 ohm..." That cannot be right, they are way too low. So lets say that the Supply Voltage is 35VDC, that means the current through 1K will be about 27mA and most Vdrops will be on the 1K resistor so the power dissipation for the resistors will be about 3/4 W, those 1K resistors are rated 1/8 W or more if the supply Voltage is higher than 35V.
                    So 2005 needs to be replaced, I reckon...

                    power dissipation is P = V^2 / R = 35^2 / 1K3 = 0.942 W, that's why it was burned...how do you get 35VDC from ?
                    Yes it's rated 1/8W, I've replaced it with 1/4W, but I haven't changed 2005 chip, not yet arrived...

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                    • budm
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                      • Feb 2010
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                      #130
                      Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                      35VDC is the gestimate Voltage, the cap is rated at 50VDC.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
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                      • momaka
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                        • May 2008
                        • 12175
                        • Bulgaria

                        #131
                        Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                        I see missing electrolytic caps on the 5VSB line. Did you by any chances plug in this power supply without those caps? If yes, that usually causes an over-voltage on aux. secondary side of the 5VSB transformer, and probably the reason those two resistors burned.
                        Point in case: do NOT test electronics with capacitors removed.
                        Last edited by momaka; 10-11-2016, 10:19 PM.

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                        • bianchi77
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                          • Jun 2016
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                          #132
                          Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                          which capacitor are you talking about ? I never unsoldered it...

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                          • momaka
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                            • May 2008
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                            #133
                            Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                            Originally posted by bianchi77
                            which capacitor are you talking about ? I never unsoldered it...
                            It looked like you had unsoldered a capacitor next to C17 and diode D7 (next to 5VSB wire). But if you didn't then that's perhaps how the PSU came (I wouldn't be surprised.)

                            That said, those burned resistors are typically a result of 5VSB over-voltage or 5VSB regulation going bad. This happens if the output capacitor(s) on the 5VSB rail fail, the "critical" 5VSB cap on the primary side fails (typically it's a 10-47 uF, close to the 5VSB transformer... looks like possibly C8 in your PSU), or if the 5VSB is ran without output capacitors. Hence why I thought you had removed it.

                            Either way, before you even try to do anything else in the PSU, first the 5VSB rail must be fixed and working and showing 5V +/-0.25V at most. Then you check the standby secondary auxiliary rail (can be measured at one of the didoes next to 5VSB transformer on the secondary side, possibly D9, D10, or D12... one way to recognize it is to look on the trace side of the PCB and see which diode is connected to a pin on the 5VSB transformer.)

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                            • bianchi77
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                              • Jun 2016
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                              #134
                              Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                              I got bad 2N60, C = 1.06 nF...on the datasheet, maximum = 350 pF

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                              • bianchi77
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                                • Jun 2016
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                                #135
                                Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                                and bad 2SC5763 as well...hfe = 18...minimum 20

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                                • bianchi77
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                                  • Jun 2016
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                                  #136
                                  Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                                  I'll check D9,D10,D12.D16

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                                  • bianchi77
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                                    • Jun 2016
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                                    #137
                                    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                                    D9 is short it goes 0 ohm on both direction...is it 1N4148 ?
                                    Last edited by bianchi77; 10-13-2016, 08:43 PM.

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                                    • budm
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                                      • Feb 2010
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                                      #138
                                      Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                                      Originally posted by bianchi77
                                      I got bad 2N60, C = 1.06 nF...on the datasheet, maximum = 350 pF
                                      You need to learn how to read the spec sheet.
                                      https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...a4e657e4a3.pdf
                                      Is the tester testing at the 'TEST CONDITION'?
                                      And which 'C' is that the tester referring to?
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                                      Last edited by budm; 10-13-2016, 08:54 PM.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
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                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
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                                      • budm
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Feb 2010
                                        • 40746
                                        • USA

                                        #139
                                        Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                                        Originally posted by bianchi77
                                        and bad 2SC5763 as well...hfe = 18...minimum 20
                                        You need to learn how to read the spec sheet.
                                        Is the tester testing at the 'TEST CONDITION'.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                        • bianchi77
                                          Badcaps Legend
                                          • Jun 2016
                                          • 1121
                                          • Australia

                                          #140
                                          Re: 12V rail is not on ?

                                          do you have the schematic of ATX LEC-011 REV 1.2 ? Ritmo LPF2SS
                                          Last edited by bianchi77; 10-13-2016, 09:01 PM.

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