Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

[momaka]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Seeing that,you really made me curious how it would do with a Pentium 4 Prescott system (generally 848P-875P era),which uses 12v.

Check your 12V rectifier first! Needs to be capable of at least 10A. IIRC, mine had a 12A one. But it was an ultra-fast, meaning high Vf and lots of heat dissipation.

Well,no wonders the HD3450 could be powered even by a PSU with a EI-28 transformer (yes,I have such a PSU )

Hehe, me too.
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39222

Wondering how much a FX5200/5500 takes.

FX5200: about the same or less. Most times you can tell by the GPU heatsink - if it's small-medium and fanless, it's probably in the 20W range at most. Small-medium with a high speed fan or medium with low speed fan - probably 20-50W.

Anyways,should I be worried about the 2200uF Ltec?It came from a Delta,and I've heard Delta is good at making PSUs.

If the other caps in the Delta were okay, then this one might be just okay too. But since this PSU likely runs hotter than the Delta, I wouldn't expect it to last as long as it did in the Delta.

Also found a heavy PFC on my dead Delta (for spares),should I install it?

I never tried that, so I can't say if it's a good idea or not. It might function like a PPFC coil, or it might overheat and/or cause something else to go wrong in the PSU. So, this would be purely experimental if you install it.

Just did the WEI rating for it,and it's 2.9.

Meh. WEI is a waste of time. It will probably say my Pentium 3 PCs are useless, and they are not.

[Behemot]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

I don't know what you people are used to but XP 2500+ runing 7 VERY FAST, what the FUCK? My Pentium 4 3,3 GHz system is constantly waiting for something with XP, yeah, tell me 7 are fast with Athlon XP. LOL? You are lucky to have video acceleration thanks to that card, Athlon XP cannot handle FullHD decoding no matter what you do to it.

A system worth 200 USD with Athlon 5350, ASRock AM1H-ITX and 4 GB of RAM powered by notebook adapter is ten times faster than this is and consumes third the power, thus paying itself out in few years on electricity. And this is absolute low-end.

Pentium III is good for server in dual-CPU configuration, I have such, Tualatin may have some use but mostly you are stuck with 512 MB RAM (thuse you are frelled). Any modern dua-core Atom sticks that into pocket while having 1/3 the power consumption. I also use old stuff but this really is pointless.

[momaka]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

I also use old stuff but this really is pointless.

I think what you fail to understand is that some people (myself included) are doing this for fun and perhaps educational purposes too. Yes, it may not be cost-effective, but so what? Should people stop pursuing their hobbies because they are not cost-effective?

I don't know what you people are used to but XP 2500+ runing 7 VERY FAST, what the FUCK? My Pentium 4 3,3 GHz system is constantly waiting for something with XP

That means you are either a) impatient or b) have too much crap on your Windows installation

[Behemot]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Good for fun, but using it as workstation, you ppl are sadomasochists? And I don't know what else you want to leard on that when you use it for ten years? I've been playing a lot with these things some 8 years ago…I learned something for sure, but not let the dead RIP and seel it to gold diggers, they still pay good for PIII…

Sure I am impatient, I need the day to have 48 hours at least and still I will be overwhelmed with work. Or it may just mean it is old crap now. Software is bloated, sure, but everything has so much more power than this has. My 8core at 4 GHz (FX-8150) with 15k drives is somewhat better but lags from time to time as well.

[momaka]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Good for fun, but using it as workstation, you ppl are sadomasochists?

It all depends what you do with it.
Yes there is plenty of software that benefits from a fast computer, but not all. Last time I checked, Word doesn't require an 8 core PC. Neither does Photoshop, if you don't mind using an older version - which if you have skills it won't affect your work that much.
It's funny the way you reacted, though. I have seen that same reaction from many other class mates when I bring my old crusty and trusty Pentium 3 laptop. They laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and then I laugh when I am done with my Word/Excel/PPT reports faster than they can boot into their bloated Windows H8 tiles crap.

The whole problem is that programmers are lazy these days and they code lazy with all of these high-level languages like Python and Java that run like shit even on your 8-core rig. And then we wonder why the internet is so slow. For all of the progress that is happening with hardware, it is all reversed by lousy software.

[goodpsusearch]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

In the last months my main PC, a P4 HT 3GHZ, 2GB DDR2 667MHZ, 6600 nvidia has been struggling even in internet browsing... I have installed flash player version 10.3 and it is disabled by default in Firefox, so it shouldn't be that slow when I try to open gmail, some badcaps tabs and facebook.

I used to be against buying new computer when you don't really need all those cores and GBs of RAM, but this has got counterproductive and time consuming even when I need to check my mail or news / new posts.

[stj]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

I don't know what you people are used to but XP 2500+ runing 7 VERY FAST, what the FUCK? My Pentium 4 3,3 GHz system is constantly waiting for something with XP, yeah, tell me 7 are fast with Athlon XP. LOL? You are lucky to have video acceleration thanks to that card, Athlon XP cannot handle FullHD decoding no matter what you do to it.

drop the "HD" meaningless buzzword.
what res and what encoding are you refering to?

[momaka]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Probably 1080p H.264. At least that's I've seen "FullHD" to refer to usually.

[stj]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

well i can watch 720p h264 10bit using an athlon 1800xp!!

[Pentium4]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

I don't know what you people are used to but XP 2500+ runing 7 VERY FAST, what the FUCK? My Pentium 4 3,3 GHz system is constantly waiting for something with XP, yeah, tell me 7 are fast with Athlon XP. LOL?

What's wrong with your P4? How much RAM does it have and what board? It's also amazing how much a fresh install on a PC can do.

Pentium III is good for server in dual-CPU configuration, I have such, Tualatin may have some use but mostly you are stuck with 512 MB RAM

What do you mean? I have a dual Tualatin board and it has 4GB of PC133 ECC installed

Good for fun, but using it as workstation, you ppl are sadomasochists?

It's fun to squeeze life out of old equipment. I have an i5 for heavy tasks, but it's cool to do modern things with equipment that is 10+ years old which is antique status in the tech world

In the last months my main PC, a P4 HT 3GHZ, 2GB DDR2 667MHZ, 6600 nvidia has been struggling even in internet browsing... I have installed flash player version 10.3 and it is disabled by default in Firefox, so it shouldn't be that slow when I try to open gmail, some badcaps tabs and facebook.

I used to be against buying new computer when you don't really need all those cores and GBs of RAM, but this has got counterproductive and time consuming even when I need to check my mail or news / new posts.

What OS? Do a fresh install

[Behemot]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

well i can watch 720p h264 10bit using an athlon 1800xp!!

It can handle 720p in VLC or MPCHC, no way using flash in browser.

It all depends what you do with it.
Yes there is plenty of software that benefits from a fast computer, but not all. Last time I checked, Word doesn't require an 8 core PC. Neither does Photoshop, if you don't mind using an older version - which if you have skills it won't affect your work that much.

If you work with 640x480 images, than yeah, sure. I have Corel PaintShop Pro X6 in here, it is much lighter than Photoshop and still lags at some operations.

Exactly as goodpsusearch said, aou canot even use web browser with such slow computer. More and more pages are full of flash and other dynamic crap with videos and animations and it is increasing pain in the ass to use it. I am too lazy and busy to upgrade but I have in plan to upgrade to some dual-core for quite some time now.

Pentium4: some 865 MSI with 2,5 GB. Memory is not the issue (apart its speed), CPU and hard drive are too slow. Maytr some cheaper SSD, that may help much. Telling ppl to reinstall their OS is just so stupid, whaddaya think, I have no work and no need for cash so I can waste days reinstalling stuff?

Intel i81xE(P) is the most common chipset for Tualatin, limited by 512 MB memory capacity.

[kaboom]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

It can handle 720p in VLC or MPCHC, no way using flash in browser.

Once AGAIN:
FLASH IS NOT VIDEO!!

Just becuase a given URL happens to be "screwyoutube.com/userXYZ/videos" DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.

That flash/HTML5 "player" does lots. Let's see.. traffic shape and throttle, delay "video" (heh-heh) until ads and other google shit come in, steal focus from the actual browser tab/window to keep up/down arrows from working, ties into and "cooperates" with crappy java-shit-script embedded in the page**; de-obfuscates the 1000 char long "google-URL" to locate the link to the actual MP4 file, d/l's it (while throttling, OFC), and kills your CPU with NOOPS.

Wait! What about "playing" the "video?" Oh sure- that happens to be an accident...

**= You know what that is- the stupid "social" garbage that's appeared since the G+ fuckup. All those "social" icons that "swoosh" over at the end of each (cough, cough) "video."

And don't even start about those channels with "handlers," like alloy digital, or any of others that are "over-produced," scripted or planned.

Enjoy your 32 cores of I7 madness while pondering the google/youtube/chrome/firefox fustercluck- then get out of the box and see the forest for the trees. Or if you prefer, the google for the scam.

Oh, off the record, the GPU handles decoding in MPC-HC, unless you use something like an FFDSHOW filter chain. But even then, a damn Prescott will do.

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[goodpsusearch]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

what os? Do a fresh install

xp

[Behemot]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Once AGAIN:
FLASH IS NOT VIDEO!!

Show me where I said so. Why else do you think I wrote "VLC"?

But that does not apply anymore, most websites were messing with their players lately and VLC does not play YT anymore. So you are fucked anyway, nobody is going to download flash video and than play it locally. Over last year, it was increasing pain in the ass to work on this overclocked P4 system and nothing is going to change that. Bloody Celeron E1200 has more computing power while consuming half the power at most.

[momaka]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

It can handle 720p in VLC or MPCHC, no way using flash in browser.

It might be able to handle Flash in browser if you have a GPU to help with the acceleration .

If you work with 640x480 images, than yeah, sure. I have Corel PaintShop Pro X6 in here, it is much lighter than Photoshop and still lags at some operations.

Well, I am using Photoshop 7. Yes, it is very dated, but still a very powerful professional image editing software. Only things that run slow are some of the more sophisticated filters and only when applied to larger (2MP and over) images.

Exactly as goodpsusearch said, aou canot even use web browser with such slow computer. More and more pages are full of flash and other dynamic crap with videos and animations and it is increasing pain in the ass to use it. I am too lazy and busy to upgrade but I have in plan to upgrade to some dual-core for quite some time now.

Agreed. But above said pages feel sluggish even on "decent" computers.
The only real solution for that is to disable any unnecessary flash content and scripts. But that is annoying too.

In the last months my main PC, a P4 HT 3GHZ, 2GB DDR2 667MHZ, 6600 nvidia has been struggling even in internet browsing... I have installed flash player version 10.3 and it is disabled by default in Firefox, so it shouldn't be that slow when I try to open gmail, some badcaps tabs and facebook.

^ I think that's the deal breaker right there. (And possibly Gmail... but I wouldn't know, as I switched to Gmail's "html" only version in mail options, which removes a lot of the "bling" and really speeds up email browsing).
Badcaps hasn't changed a bit. I can still open 30+ threads to view in almost any browser, and it won't feel slow or use excessive amounts of RAM. Just the same as it was 5 years ago.
Facebook, on the other hand... last time I checked (over 2 years ago maybe?), logging into your profile already can spike the memory usage to
1 GB just for the browser, depending on how much crap you have going on in there. I can't imagine it has gone any better. All of those tiny buttons that require Flash or some sort script also tend to beat down on the CPU quite a bit.

Again. the problem is lazy programmers/coders. And of course, the acceptance today of form over functionality. Here, try our newly updated "abc" software with rounded flashy buttons and fancy effects. Never mind the fact that it does the exact same thing as the software from last year

[goodpsusearch]

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Well, I am using Photoshop 7. Yes, it is very dated, but still a very powerful professional image editing software. Only things that run slow are some of the more sophisticated filters and only when applied to larger (2MP and over) images.

Check attached pic

^ I think that's the deal breaker right there. (And possibly Gmail... but I wouldn't know, as I switched to Gmail's "html" only version in mail options, which removes a lot of the "bling" and really speeds up email browsing).
Badcaps hasn't changed a bit. I can still open 30+ threads to view in almost any browser, and it won't feel slow or use excessive amounts of RAM. Just the same as it was 5 years ago.
Facebook, on the other hand... last time I checked (over 2 years ago maybe?), logging into your profile already can spike the memory usage to
1 GB just for the browser, depending on how much crap you have going on in there. I can't imagine it has gone any better. All of those tiny buttons that require Flash or some sort script also tend to beat down on the CPU quite a bit.

Again. the problem is lazy programmers/coders. And of course, the acceptance today of form over functionality. Here, try our newly updated "abc" software with rounded flashy buttons and fancy effects. Never mind the fact that it does the exact same thing as the software from last year

Badcaps is always ok in terms of cpu and memory usage but all the other forums I visit make the computer crawl..

For example:
http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=324
Why??

[kaboom]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Show me where I said so. Why else do you think I wrote "VLC"?

It can handle 720p in VLC or MPCHC, no way using flash in browser.

Got it?

But that does not apply anymore, most websites were messing with their players lately and VLC does not play YT anymore. So you are fucked anyway, nobody is going to download flash video and than play it locally. Over last year, it was increasing pain in the ass to work on this overclocked P4 system and nothing is going to change that. Bloody Celeron E1200 has more computing power while consuming half the power at most.

Well that's a defeatist attitude. In 5 years, you'll be saying "it was increasing pain in the ass to work on this 32 core I7 system."

What's the problem here?! Why are you having such a problem getting this?

That system isn't "getting old" or anything of the sort. It's no longer TOTL, but that's understandable.

Let's use your example here. Back in July of 2007, not-yet-screw-you-tube worked well on a P3-700. To be in such denial of everything that's taken place since with you-rube is worse than begging a burglar to put your stolen property back and leave.

Go ahead, blame that P4 system. It certainly couldn't be that circle-jerk cluster-fuck otherwise known as youtube, right? It's called making the experience bad enough that people will *just* put up with it, and as the number of higher-spec systems increases, so must the garbage in these brain-damaged websites.

How come with the HTML5 "player," even in so-called 360p, I've got full usage of half a C2D (one core) til the "file" has finished downloading? The second the whole thing's loaded, CPU usage drops. An undocumented function, it is... no matter what any google apologist claims.

Yet with 720p and flashplayer, with the same "video," there's minimal CPU usage.

"But kaboom, aren't they just implementing the same functions in HTML5?"




All these crybabies running around with "if google does something else, I'm going over to vimeo." No they're not. They're just attention-whoring in order to get "more views and subscribers." They'd never move to vimeo, since that's not the venue that attracts the batshit 12-year-old "fans" these youtube problem-children have "following" them.

How's that? The youtube problem won't stop until people quit being so sickeningly sheepish and trusting of google, with their "oh, it's the internet- they could never be anything bad, right?"

Wrong.

[Behemot]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

Seems that you don't got it. Using flash in browser is using flash player application in browser, which plays FLV-containered video. Both browser and player are ineffective, than VLC is only itself ineffective and MPCHC is optimized, most of the times.

Anyway, I think you are so much over the line here. Prescott is over 11 years old, it's like being angry that you cannot run Windows 95 on Intel 386DX-16 and than programmers are lazy bastards! Of course they are, but the technological jump between 1986 and 1997 was so huge than everybody will tell you that you are crazy idiot if you think it will work. Yeah, it was supposed to run on 386DX, but obviously working with that was living hell.

The same between 2004 and 2015, technological progress is clearly here, somewhat slower, but very noticeable. HD video is great example.

[CapSwapper]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

you have to face reality and upgrade the processor and motherboard. changing caps in the psu isn't going to work. when my P4 failed to play flash video I threw it in the garbage and bought an i7.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: Sumvision KY-450ATX 350W P4 PSU - recapped

It must be a newer revision as it has a sticker saying "MADE IN CHINA"

I think that's typical of later-2000s A7N8Xs. (post-2003)