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  • c_hegge
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2009
    • 5219
    • Australia

    #1

    Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

    I pulled this PSU out of a customer's machine. It wouldn't POST with this PSU, but worked fine with another. I decided to rebuild this PSU and turn it from a gutless wonder into a PC P&C (OK, maybe not quite that good). Here's what it's getting (all parts except for secondary caps scavenged from other PSUs) :

    A new case (from a dead Antec SP-350)
    Two fans (Delta)
    New heatsinks
    New Primary switchers
    New secondary silicon (30A for the 3.3 & 12V. 2x 30A for the 5v)
    New transformers
    An extra set of input filtering coils
    Two 0.47uF X Caps
    A 4A Rectifier in place of the 4 diodes
    560uF Nichicon LU Primary caps
    New secondary caps:
    4x 2200uF 6.3 Canicon - 3300uF Samxon RS from Topcat
    1x 2200uF 16v Canicon - 3300uF Samxon RS
    2x 470uF 16v Canicon - Panny FM
    1x 680uF canicon for 5vsb - 1000uF 6.3 Nichicon HE

    Pics coming soon
    I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

    No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

    Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

    Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro
  • Th3_uN1Qu3
    Believe in
    • Jul 2010
    • 6031
    • Romania

    #2
    Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

    Delta fans? You must really like noise then. Everything else looks good, but if you use adequate transistors and rectifiers... you shouldn't need noisy fans.
    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
    A working TV? How boring!

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    • c_hegge
      Badcaps Legend
      • Sep 2009
      • 5219
      • Australia

      #3
      Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

      The fans are temp controlled. I used them as they are good quality ball bearing fans and not HongKongFlyApart company made sleeve bearing fans.
      I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

      No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

      Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

      Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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      • 370forlife
        Large Marge
        • Aug 2008
        • 3112
        • United States

        #4
        Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

        Rexpower...any idea who the OEM is?

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        • Th3_uN1Qu3
          Believe in
          • Jul 2010
          • 6031
          • Romania

          #5
          Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

          Originally posted by 370forlife
          Rexpower...any idea who the OEM is?
          Erm... Beer? Sorry, i meant Deer.
          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
          A working TV? How boring!

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          • 370forlife
            Large Marge
            • Aug 2008
            • 3112
            • United States

            #6
            Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

            Must be a old deer. They haven't use canicon in a while.

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            • c_hegge
              Badcaps Legend
              • Sep 2009
              • 5219
              • Australia

              #7
              Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

              This PSU has some similarities (most notably, Ever-power printed on the transformers).

              Here's the label in case that helps.
              Attached Files
              I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

              No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

              Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

              Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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              • c_hegge
                Badcaps Legend
                • Sep 2009
                • 5219
                • Australia

                #8
                Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                Glad I changed the heatsinks. The original ones were so thin I can bend them into a U shape with my bare hands!

                PS. Did someone delete my post with the internal pictures? or did I just not post it in the first place?
                Last edited by c_hegge; 09-21-2010, 12:11 AM.
                I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                • Toasty
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 4171

                  #9
                  Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                  AHEM!

                  Use of the HongKongFlyApart name is a Toasty registered trademark and requires an ® after it.
                  veritas odium parit

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                  • c_hegge
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 5219
                    • Australia

                    #10
                    Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                    One question about it. How much wattage do you think it could manage after doing all this to it?

                    The two primary switching transistors are now 2SC3320 and, for the secondary, I used an STPS3045CW on each rail and two of them on the 5v.
                    I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                    No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                    Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                    Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                    • Th3_uN1Qu3
                      Believe in
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 6031
                      • Romania

                      #11
                      Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                      With those parts, it'll depend on the frequency that it's operating at. You could get a full 400W, but it'll probably require rewinding the transformer too. I say you're gonna get about 300.
                      Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                      Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                      A working TV? How boring!

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                      • c_hegge
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5219
                        • Australia

                        #12
                        Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                        Only 300? It's going to be running on 240v and the transformer will be replaced with a bigger one.
                        I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                        No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                        Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                        Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                        • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                          • Jul 2010
                          • 6031
                          • Romania

                          #13
                          Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                          If you replace the transformer you should get more. Good silicon with an EC-35 transformer will get you close to 500W.

                          I've seen a X-Tech "500W" supply fail on a system that barely drew 100W, because the primary transistors were crap. Everything else was actually spec'd correctly, and that supply would have done 500W if given the right silicon.
                          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                          A working TV? How boring!

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                          • goodpsusearch
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 2848
                            • Greece

                            #14
                            Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                            Please post some photos

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                            • c_hegge
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 5219
                              • Australia

                              #15
                              Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                              Here
                              Attached Files
                              I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                              No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                              Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                              Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                              • goodpsusearch
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 2848
                                • Greece

                                #16
                                Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                                You can add metal oxide varistors for protection from power surges.

                                The switching transistors you used are capable of 450W.

                                The transformer looks to be El-35, good for 350 watt, maybe more. It depends of the switching frequency used.

                                Personally, I like to beef up the input capacity, so I would put 680uF or 820uF on a 350-400 watt psu.

                                You say you used STPS3045CW for the 12V line. VRRM is 45V, maybe too low for the 12V line. Some psus require fast recovery rectifiers for 12V or schottky rectifiers with 60VRRM or better. Look what happened when I tried to replace a 10A fast recovery rectifier with a schottky in a Maxpower PL-300 (same oem): https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...?t=8171&page=7

                                Last one, if it uses the same design with my maxpower, then there are 2 caps for the 5vsb (pic)
                                Attached Files

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                                • c_hegge
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Sep 2009
                                  • 5219
                                  • Australia

                                  #17
                                  Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                                  The original 12v was one of these, so Ill look at getting a better replacment.
                                  I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                                  No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                                  Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                                  Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                                  • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                                    • Jul 2010
                                    • 6031
                                    • Romania

                                    #18
                                    Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                                    My Powerlink works fine with a diode with 40v reverse voltage on 12v. When testing the SMPS i built myself, i actually did 24 volts out with a SBL3040CT... Dunno for how long would it have lasted, but it certainly worked just fine for a few hours.

                                    I think that on some units they are just too lazy to install proper snubbers on the transformer, so they put a higher voltage diode that can eat up the spikes.
                                    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                    A working TV? How boring!

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                                    • 370forlife
                                      Large Marge
                                      • Aug 2008
                                      • 3112
                                      • United States

                                      #19
                                      Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                                      Ultrafasts and Fast recoveries are cheaper than schottky. When the psu is designed to be lower current and cheap as possible they will use parts as cheap as possible and as close to spec as possible (referencing to the OEM's spec's)

                                      Depending on the design, 2SC3320's can deliver 500W or more. For this key mouse I wouldn't count on it though. Also, the SG6105DZ has OPP, which means it will probably shut down before it blows up.

                                      Ever-power on the transformer means it's a Key mouse (KMEX). Key mouse likes to copy other companies designs, especially ATNG. Consequently they can be ok performers if kept within their designed wattages.
                                      Last edited by 370forlife; 09-21-2010, 01:34 PM.

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                                      • c_hegge
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Sep 2009
                                        • 5219
                                        • Australia

                                        #20
                                        Re: Rexpower PL-400 rebuild

                                        It actually had schottkys for the other two rails (Mospec S20C40C). The only fast recovery was the F12C20C on the 12v. As a replacment for the 12v rail, would an 80EPF10 do the job? (80A, 1000v VRRM)
                                        I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                                        No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                                        Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                                        Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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