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  • Sephir0th
    Badcaps Legend
    • Oct 2020
    • 1262
    • Germany

    #121
    Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

    This is a classical behaviour of a shorted DC-IN Mosfet, between Source and Drain, for example
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    • mon2
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      • Dec 2019
      • 13894
      • Canada

      #122
      Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

      My bad, yes pins #4 & 5 which appear to be ok for the diode mode readings.

      Let us check that the contacts reach the charger IC.

      Meter in diode mode. Short the meter probes and you should have a tone beep.

      One meter probe on pin #4 of the battery connector (without the battery connected); other meter probe to pin #12 on the charger IC.

      Do you hear a tone beep?

      Repeat with pin #5 of the battery connector & pin # 11 on the charger IC.

      After the above tests, power up - still without the battery.

      Meter in DC volts mode. Measure the voltage to ground on pins #4 & #5 on the battery connector.

      You should have ~3v on each SMBUS SCL / SDA pin.

      Finally, connect the battery again and check if the voltage to ground measurements remain at ~3v on these battery contacts.

      A defective BMS board on the battery pack can cause the SMBUS communication to fail. At that point, the battery should be replaced.

      Post each measurement.
      Attached Files

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      • jacobtc
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Apr 2016
        • 274
        • Denmark

        #123
        Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

        Originally posted by mon2
        My bad, yes pins #4 & 5 which appear to be ok for the diode mode readings.

        Let us check that the contacts reach the charger IC.

        Meter in diode mode. Short the meter probes and you should have a tone beep.

        One meter probe on pin #4 of the battery connector (without the battery connected); other meter probe to pin #12 on the charger IC.

        Do you hear a tone beep?

        Repeat with pin #5 of the battery connector & pin # 11 on the charger IC.

        After the above tests, power up - still without the battery.

        Meter in DC volts mode. Measure the voltage to ground on pins #4 & #5 on the battery connector.

        You should have ~3v on each SMBUS SCL / SDA pin.

        Finally, connect the battery again and check if the voltage to ground measurements remain at ~3v on these battery contacts.

        A defective BMS board on the battery pack can cause the SMBUS communication to fail. At that point, the battery should be replaced.

        Post each measurement.
        Connection between connector and IC is there.

        Both pin #4 and #5 show only 0.66V when DC in connected and pc turned on, also with battery plugged in.

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        • mon2
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          • Dec 2019
          • 13894
          • Canada

          #124
          Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

          This is in diode mode?

          Place meter now in dc volts mode.

          What is the voltage to ground with the battery and adapter connected for these smbus pins (SCL and SDA)?

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          • jacobtc
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            • Apr 2016
            • 274
            • Denmark

            #125
            Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

            Originally posted by mon2
            This is in diode mode?

            Place meter now in dc volts mode.

            What is the voltage to ground with the battery and adapter connected for these smbus pins (SCL and SDA)?
            No, DC mode

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            • mon2
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              • Dec 2019
              • 13894
              • Canada

              #126
              Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

              Remove the battery. Using only the power adapter, what are the voltage readings to ground of these 2 pins?

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              • jacobtc
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Apr 2016
                • 274
                • Denmark

                #127
                Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                Originally posted by mon2
                Remove the battery. Using only the power adapter, what are the voltage readings to ground of these 2 pins?
                Both are 0.6V

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                • mon2
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                  • Dec 2019
                  • 13894
                  • Canada

                  #128
                  Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                  These are open drain pins so they must have local pull up resistors to park these pins to a soft logic high level.

                  Either these pins are missing these pull ups or the ESD diodes are pulling these pins low.

                  Locate the ESD diodes on these pins on the logic board. They should be fluxed and carefully removed. Do not lose the parts.

                  Then power up again and check these pins.

                  See attached for their component names.
                  Attached Files
                  Last edited by mon2; 05-21-2023, 03:12 PM.

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                  • jacobtc
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 274
                    • Denmark

                    #129
                    Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                    Originally posted by mon2
                    These are open drain pins so they must have local pull up resistors to park these pins to a soft logic high level.

                    Either these pins are missing these pull ups or the ESD diodes are pulling these pins low.

                    Locate the ESD diodes on these pins on the logic board. They should be fluxed and carefully removed. Do not lose the parts.

                    Then power up again and check these pins.

                    See attached for their component names.
                    Both are still 0.6V after removing diodes.

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                    • mon2
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Dec 2019
                      • 13894
                      • Canada

                      #130
                      Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                      See attached. Locate these local pull-ups for this SMBUS pair of lines.

                      Confirm the voltage on each side of the pull-up resistors.

                      R3001
                      R3015
                      Attached Files

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                      • jacobtc
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 274
                        • Denmark

                        #131
                        Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                        Originally posted by mon2
                        See attached. Locate these local pull-ups for this SMBUS pair of lines.

                        Confirm the voltage on each side of the pull-up resistors.

                        R3001
                        R3015
                        Thanks, the boardview is not the correct one, but I found one elsewhere, these are the resistors and their measurements (see pic).
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                        • jacobtc
                          Badcaps Veteran
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 274
                          • Denmark

                          #132
                          Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                          Originally posted by Sephir0th
                          This is a classical behaviour of a shorted DC-IN Mosfet, between Source and Drain, for example
                          Both DC-IN mosfets show normal behavior, 20V on S and D, 26V on G.

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                          • Sephir0th
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Oct 2020
                            • 1262
                            • Germany

                            #133
                            Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                            This is not how you test a Mosfet for internal short between all three logics. But 25V at Gate points to there is possibly something else going on.
                            FairRepair on YouTube

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                            • jacobtc
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 274
                              • Denmark

                              #134
                              Re: Dead ASUS ROG G14 (GA401)

                              Originally posted by Sephir0th
                              This is not how you test a Mosfet for internal short between all three logics. But 25V at Gate points to there is possibly something else going on.
                              I know, both mosfets has been off and measured between S-D, G-D and G-S

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