Still problems with Hakko 936?

[bgavin]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

I will testify that the Hakko 936 is a-ok for cap replacement. I'm in agreement with willawake about some people not knowing what they are doing.

Ditto to that. I own the 936 also, and find it to be superb.

[larrymoencurly]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

"40% more power."
Nope. - Spec games in ads...

It says 70 watt 'consumption'.
That's at the wall socket, not watts of the element.
They don't even list the watts for the element.

For a 936 Hakko states consumption is 60 watts and 50 watts at the element.

70 watts vs 60 watts is not 40%.

I made the very mistake I tried hard to avoid when I was shopping for irons last year.

The Goot TP100AS desoldering iron looks a lot like the Hakko 808 but costs about twice as much. Even more expensive is the Denon SC-7000Z, but it can also blow hot air. OTOH here's definitely a knock-off:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260632822749

Who has Hakko tips for $2.00-$2.50? I don't think I'll be needing any soon because my wife included extra ones when she bought me a 936 for my birthday, and I don't solder much.

[stj]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

the hakko iron looks a lot like a xytronic one, maybe xytronic bits can be used?

i use xytronics irons - i'll put up the dimensions of a bit later for comparison.

[stj]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

the stem that goes into the element is 28mm x 5mm and the collar is 4mm x 7mm
the bit is solid and slides into the top of the element-tube.
that is on a XY404 bit.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

I made the very mistake I tried hard to avoid when I was shopping for irons last year.

Been there. - Done that.
That's how I know to look for it in ads.
My first attempt at a solder station said 80 watts for the input so I was thinking like 60 at the tip.
Nope, wire wound element, was more like 40 at the tip and the tips were crude/rough [not smooth].
I used it like 3 times. Put it put it back in the box and bought a Hakko.
- That would be the Black RadioShack station that is sold in Blue by Farnell that has grabbed stj's attention.
[It's JUNK stj. - I tried one!]

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Who has Hakko tips for $2.00-$2.50? I don't think I'll be needing any soon because my wife included extra ones when she bought me a 936 for my birthday, and I don't solder much.

Despite the site's name I've bought handles and tips from this guy and they are legit Hakko.
The handles are bulk [no box, probably to cut shipping cost] but the tips are in factory packaging [sealed bags.].
http://www.vendio.com/stores/cantonm...chString=hakko
[Don't miss the 'next' at the bottom. He has 71 Hakko items listed.]
Sometimes I see his ads on eBay but not all the time.
Unless he's changed his shopping cart the stated price includes shipping. I thought the cart was going to add shipping but it didn't.

I think this is the same guy. Also uses another name.
http://shop.ebay.com/kitmanlaw2008/m....c0.m270.l1313

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hakko-907-936-Ir...item563de222ab

This guy also has Hakko tips cheap from time to time but none currently listed. Haven't bought from this one so can't say if they are legit parts or not.
http://desc.shop.ebay.com/coldfusion...eDesc=1&_rdc=1
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[stj]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

the rough coating on the cheap bits is a protective coating that comes off when you use it.

incidentally, i like to swap irons & bases, that can be done in most cases.
as long as the iron & base both run 24v and use a thermocouple.

my chinese blue base that came with the cheap 48w weller-clone iron is now hooked to my xytronics 60w iron that has a suspicious resemblance to a hakko.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

the rough coating on the cheap bits is a protective coating that comes off when you use it.

Yeah, I know how it's supposed to work.
It doesn't come off when it's milled into the base metal before they plate it.

[stj]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

well it's not on xytronics bit's anyway, they are iron-plated copper.
why not try putting a hakko iron on your black chinese base?
and slide the holder-section forward to unlock it so you can throw it in the bin.
the fugly holder-section is the real letdown on the blue unit.
i binned mine straight away & used a seperate stand i had.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

why not try putting a hakko iron on your black chinese base?

What chinese base?
That went in the bin when I got 3 used Hakko bases on eBay for $40.
Only had one complete handle. [And several partials.]
I just recently got around to getting two new handles for the other bases from that cantomade dude so for $70 I now have 3 running Hakkos.
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[stj]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

you binned the radioshack unit?
shit - that's a very good base - probably way better in design than the old hakko - just because it has a shit iron doesnt mean it's a bad base.

[Krankshaft]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

You're not talking about that crap digital variable station at Ratshack that had an iron and used tips they didn't even sell did you?

You couldn't even buy replacement tips for that piece of crap online.

You shouldn't mix and match irons with stations the characteristics of the heating element and the sensing thermistors have to match.

If not your temperature regulation will be in the crapper.

If the iron you're swapping is designed for your station fine but you can't just plug in anything with the right connector.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

That's the one. [I think.]
Actually it's 'parked' on the 'get around to sell' shelf collecting dust.
You can get tips for them from Sears and Frys.
Uses the same tips as Sear's Craftsman 40 watt.
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I agree, you can't go swapping handles around randomly between brands.
Might have different thermistors as well as completely different pin-outs.
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[stj]

Re: Still problems with Hakko 936?

pinouts are all different even from the same manufacturer - so are the choice of connector,
but i found there are 2 basc types of iron,
thermocouple, and thermister.
thermister ones you cant play with,
but thermocouples are the same and you can mix them around - i'v done it without problems loads of times - so have friends.
as long as the element isnt one of the newer ones that run over 24v you'l be fine.

one guy i know even built his own iron from a weller TCP (magnastat) by replacing the thermal switch with a thermocouple and using one of those blue bases.
we checked it with a digital thermocouple temp meter and it's running spot-on.

if i was stateside i'd buy that radioshack base off you.
(you can bin the iron - LOL)