BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

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  • newbie1
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Apr 2010
    • 269

    #1

    BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

    Hi Guys,

    Just to share & hope to get opinions from the experts here. and sorry for the big wall of text.

    Do bad things come in Twos or in Threes?.. I have 2 sets of the same monitors hoping to have a quick fix (because I have done a few of them before having bad caps and poor solderjoints), but these two sets were giving me more headaches and not to mention the money involved (total damage so far is US$100 for the sets & parts).

    LCD monitor : 2493HM
    Power board model : BN44-00195A
    Mainboard : BN41-00962A

    Symptom/Fault :
    Set #1 – Initially the set was having Blank screen with steady power LED, I guess this is the common failure which I have read a few threads here. Replaced the capacitors with Panasonic FM, FC, FR series and assembled it but still no joy. Resoldered all the joints again but I forgot to place the plastic protector below the Power board and to screw it tightly, the second time while assembling it. It got shorted to the panel when plugged. DAMN!

    The two main fuses, MOSFETs (QM802 & QM803), sense circuitry resistor (RM801) were the goners in my initial check. Buy the parts & replaced them and two main fuses, MOSFETs (QM802 & QM803) went kaput again. Further probing confirmed that the two pins on the bottom right of the Transformer (TM801) (facing down) were fused (no longer shorted) comparing with the identical pair on the other side. Removed it from the board and found out that it was burnt. I use wires and a 5A fuse to jump between the two burnt Transformer pins and replaced the MOSFETs again. This time I used the ‘bulb (current limiter) test’ on the power board alone. Bulb flash momentarily and went off.

    When I hooked up the Mainboard and test it again, this time the bulb brightly light up and stays and then a few seconds later it blinks brightly & quickly. I managed to do some measurements on the Power board and got PSON= 3V and S_B =5.2V while the rest of the output voltages are giving 0V. Using Page 4 of the schematic downloaded from Elektrotanya, managed to trace the points of the VDDC & VDDP of the Main IC300. As compared to VDDP, resistance measured from VDDC (+1.8V_live) to Gnd (screw ring of the mainboard) is 30ohms one way & 100ohms when reversed. Removing the tiny capacitors of the VDDC rails (C332, C334, C335, C336, C337, and C338) also yield the same resistance reading. Dead end.

    Set #2 – Hoping that by getting this dead (No power LED) monitor of the same model I could revive Set #1 or at least any one of them. But once upon disassembly, checked that it is having the same symptoms on the power board (Fuses blown, MOSFETs shorted, sense circuitry resistor blown and the SAME two pins on the Transformer TM801 not shorting anymore). What a bummer! I replaced the MOSFETs and sense circuitry resistor plus wired the two blown Transformer pins with a fuse and performed the current limiter test again. I couldn’t believe my LUCK! The result was same as SET #1 when the mainboard was connected to the power board. sigh!.

    So is it correct to say that both sets Mainboard is the culprit for the high current drawn, blowing the components on the Power boards? Or am I missing something? If yes, and if I was to purchase the main board, can both the Power board be usable again? What I am worried is the transformer TM801 with the two pins blown. I have googled for a replacement but could not find one. Is jumping a pico fuse (not sure which Amperes to use) between the pins a good idea and can it hold-up for long? As for purchasing the mainboard, I have checked through ebay but could not find any. However, I found this. Any opinions on the reliability of this online store? I do not want to spend another US$50 and adding more piles of junk at my home. At the rate of all the fail repairs, I think I will be sleeping on them instead of on my bed. Geez….

    Thanks in advance for all your feedback. I have uploaded the pictures of my Power and Mainboards (Set #2), the blown transformer and the schematic of the main board. Let me know if more measurements or pictures are required.
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    Last edited by newbie1; 01-31-2012, 03:06 AM.
  • retiredcaps
    Badcaps Legend
    • Apr 2010
    • 9271

    #2
    Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

    Long shot, but you have a lot of glue that has turned brown and may have become conductive?

    Like this?

    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?p=205335

    I still think how the OP thanked me in post #4 is pretty funny.
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    • newbie1
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Apr 2010
      • 269

      #3
      Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

      Thank you retiredcaps for your feedback.

      Yes, on both boards there are a lot of these hard, brown glue. However, i am surprised that the 'bulb (current limiter) test' did not show constant light up when testing on the power board ALONE, if the glue are the cause of the high current. Anyhow, I will try to scrap them off but i believe is a little bit hard. Who knows in future they will be come conductive, isn't it?. Hopefully i do not cause more damage to the other components while removing them.

      Any other suggestions that you recommend besides purchasing another Mainboard to diagnose the failure? If none, i guess i will have to gamble & buy it online.

      P/s: would appreciate if there is any kind soul, with a working Mainboard, to compare my resistance readings of the VDDC to Gnd. If it is difference to mine, then purchasing a Mainboard it will be.

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      • brewpj
        New Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 2
        • Australia

        #4
        Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

        Originally posted by newbie1
        Hi Guys,

        Just to share & hope to get opinions from the experts here. and sorry for the big wall of text.

        Do bad things come in Twos or in Threes?.. I have 2 sets of the same monitors hoping to have a quick fix (because I have done a few of them before having bad caps and poor solderjoints), but these two sets were giving me more headaches and not to mention the money involved (total damage so far is US$100 for the sets & parts).

        LCD monitor : 2493HM
        Power board model : BN44-00195A
        Mainboard : BN41-00962A

        Symptom/Fault :
        Set #1 – Initially the set was having Blank screen with steady power LED, I guess this is the common failure which I have read a few threads here. Replaced the capacitors with Panasonic FM, FC, FR series and assembled it but still no joy. Resoldered all the joints again but I forgot to place the plastic protector below the Power board and to screw it tightly, the second time while assembling it. It got shorted to the panel when plugged. DAMN!

        The two main fuses, MOSFETs (QM802 & QM803), sense circuitry resistor (RM801) were the goners in my initial check. Buy the parts & replaced them and two main fuses, MOSFETs (QM802 & QM803) went kaput again. Further probing confirmed that the two pins on the bottom right of the Transformer (TM801) (facing down) were fused (no longer shorted) comparing with the identical pair on the other side. Removed it from the board and found out that it was burnt. I use wires and a 5A fuse to jump between the two burnt Transformer pins and replaced the MOSFETs again. This time I used the ‘bulb (current limiter) test’ on the power board alone. Bulb flash momentarily and went off.

        When I hooked up the Mainboard and test it again, this time the bulb brightly light up and stays and then a few seconds later it blinks brightly & quickly. I managed to do some measurements on the Power board and got PSON= 3V and S_B =5.2V while the rest of the output voltages are giving 0V. Using Page 4 of the schematic downloaded from Elektrotanya, managed to trace the points of the VDDC & VDDP of the Main IC300. As compared to VDDP, resistance measured from VDDC (+1.8V_live) to Gnd (screw ring of the mainboard) is 30ohms one way & 100ohms when reversed. Removing the tiny capacitors of the VDDC rails (C332, C334, C335, C336, C337, and C338) also yield the same resistance reading. Dead end.

        Set #2 – Hoping that by getting this dead (No power LED) monitor of the same model I could revive Set #1 or at least any one of them. But once upon disassembly, checked that it is having the same symptoms on the power board (Fuses blown, MOSFETs shorted, sense circuitry resistor blown and the SAME two pins on the Transformer TM801 not shorting anymore). What a bummer! I replaced the MOSFETs and sense circuitry resistor plus wired the two blown Transformer pins with a fuse and performed the current limiter test again. I couldn’t believe my LUCK! The result was same as SET #1 when the mainboard was connected to the power board. sigh!.

        So is it correct to say that both sets Mainboard is the culprit for the high current drawn, blowing the components on the Power boards? Or am I missing something? If yes, and if I was to purchase the main board, can both the Power board be usable again? What I am worried is the transformer TM801 with the two pins blown. I have googled for a replacement but could not find one. Is jumping a pico fuse (not sure which Amperes to use) between the pins a good idea and can it hold-up for long? As for purchasing the mainboard, I have checked through ebay but could not find any. However, I found this. Any opinions on the reliability of this online store? I do not want to spend another US$50 and adding more piles of junk at my home. At the rate of all the fail repairs, I think I will be sleeping on them instead of on my bed. Geez….

        Thanks in advance for all your feedback. I have uploaded the pictures of my Power and Mainboards (Set #2), the blown transformer and the schematic of the main board. Let me know if more measurements or pictures are required.
        Hi
        Having trouble opening schematic file. have had same problems and re-wound transformer three windings of 31 turns each, but still no joy. hope you can help with schematic. I can be contacted on brewpj@gmail.com if you could send a copy to me that way it would be much appreciated.
        Thanks Peter

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        • newbie1
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Apr 2010
          • 269

          #5
          Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

          Originally posted by brewpj
          Hi
          Having trouble opening schematic file. have had same problems and re-wound transformer three windings of 31 turns each, but still no joy. hope you can help with schematic. I can be contacted on brewpj@gmail.com if you could send a copy to me that way it would be much appreciated.
          Thanks Peter
          Try dowloading from the below, mate. Type 2493hm in the search column.
          http://elektrotanya.com/?q=showresult
          What i did was to use a 3A fuse between the 2 open pins of the transformer just to test my shorted logic board. You might want to scrap off the brown glue on the power board, as well.
          May i know whether you have confirmed that your logic board is working fine using the bulb test?
          Last edited by newbie1; 03-20-2012, 10:14 PM.

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          • brewpj
            New Member
            • Mar 2012
            • 2
            • Australia

            #6
            Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

            Thanks for link works fine now.

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            • kusarigama
              New Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 7
              • Germany

              #7
              Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

              I have the same problems instead. Fuses, Mosfet and RM801 keeps blowing. How have you fixed it?

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              • Xerian
                New Member
                • Aug 2013
                • 2
                • Slovenia

                #8
                Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

                Hello. I have also trouble with this board. So far I've had blown resistor RB801S, RM801 and CM802. I've discovered that brow glue on CM802 becomes conductive couse it was been smoked underneath. Now I have problem, because i throw away RB801S resistor and I can't determine if it is 44 ohm or 4,4k0hm. That 4 stripe gives me a headache is it brown or gold. I' can't find shematics for this board so anyone who has this board. Please readout or check with ohmmeter resistance of that resistor. I'm confused because there is no 44 ohm or 4,4 Kohm resistors on a market.
                It' is old post. But I Will try Thanks

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                • selldoor
                  Slow Learner
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 7870

                  #9
                  Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

                  It is 44 ohms

                  http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronic...calculator.php

                  yellow yellow black gold? 4 band 5%

                  yellow yellow black silver 4 band 10%
                  Last edited by selldoor; 07-30-2014, 03:19 PM.
                  Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

                    It may be 33 Ohms fusible resistor which is used for feeding the B+ from the main cap to the standby power supply section.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • budm
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

                      Follow-up, I just checked my board, it is 33 Ohms.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • Xerian
                        New Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 2
                        • Slovenia

                        #12
                        Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

                        Thank you budm for your detailed information. So those are orange stripes on resistor. It appears that I have a conductive glue trouble also. Capacitor next to this resistor is smoked underneath.
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                        Last edited by Xerian; 08-05-2014, 05:12 AM. Reason: picture

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                        • budm
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 40746
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: BN44-00195A. Fuse keep blowing, MOSFET constantly shorted, Transformer burnt

                          You will have to remove those glue otherwise this will happen:
                          https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34692
                          Never stop learning
                          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                          TV Factory reset codes listing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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