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    What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

    *point of thread is at bottom

    Well, since I got my Samxon's, I recapped my main PSU and all is well there. Now, I'm working on this project system I'm completely recapping to use as an audio unit. The old SB16 actually sounds very good, but the upper range is a bit harsh, similar to how my SbLive! was before putting film caps in the signal path.

    I also had to move it to the inside ISA slot as opposed to the outside because the outside was getting all this wierd *WEEEOOOOEEEEOOO* like someone tuning an ancient radio in an old war movie. I could also hear the mouse movement at times. I don't get any of this on the inside slot. There is however a significant amount of hiss or whatever you want to call it. We'll see how things go as I begin recapping the hardware. This SB16 was manufactured in what... '94? lol! It's been sitting, doing nothing for most of that time means I bought a Soundblaster 32 when they came out and stopped using this card.

    Anyway, this board is acting funny. Besides the fact that the P3-500 I have always run in it does not work, (I took it apart and blocked the heatsink, maybe I jacked up the CPU while handling it.) now the 733 I put in it from a different system does not get recognized correctly. In fact although the BIOS will retain ALL other settings through a hard-boot, the CPU config resets. In fact if I go into the BIOS and go under the CPU config it will automatically reset to some janky 233 or some-odd setting. The system tries to post as a 366E or something, too lazy to go look again, and setting the multipliers never results in what it should be. For instance 133 x 5.5 will always come up 650E or somewhere thereabouts.

    It also won't recognize my double-sided stick of 512. It thinks it's a 256. I thought the manual said it could use this, but maybe not. Anyway, at the most, with the latest possible bios update, this board can only recognize 768MB, anyway and I have two of these nice 512 sticks, which IIRC are ECC. This board can use ECC, but it doesn't like these obviously. I already ordered the caps for this board, but I may just recap it and if an updated BIOS flash fixes the CPU designation woes(which I read is commonly fixed by a flash), I'll just sell the board and CPU and get something that suits me better.

    *I want to find the fastest possible motherboard/CPU combo, which will support two sticks of double sided 512 ECC PC133, and has ISA. I don't care about fast HDD's, don't want SCSI. I already have a video and networking card and of course the SB16. Any suggestions?
    Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

    #2
    Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

    Ummmm, what board is it? That may help us offer some suggestions to your ills.

    If the board is too old, and doesn't have BIOS updates to handle a Coppermine core P3, it will not recognize it correctly. Also the board must be able to support its lowered voltage.

    Same goes for the SDRAM. Some old chipsets can't run double sided 512 or single sided 256.

    Can't suggest much regarding your SB16 woes. Maybe verifiy that the underside of the board isn't grounding traces. Also try blasting the ISA with contact cleanier.

    I think you're kinda SOL when it comes to trying to get a board that has ISA these days. Unless you stashed them away, your only chance is ebay.
    If you have a Slot-1 cpu, the hot ones during its day were AOpen intel BX chipset board, Asus P3V4X, both very stable and fast, with at least 1 ISA, supports 133 MHz, PC133. Abit's BX6 got a lot fans for overclocking.
    If it's FC-PGA cpus, Asus's CUV4X version was also very well regarded.
    Avoid Intel 815e chipset based motherboards...they only support 512 MB max.

    I still have a handful of ISA slotted boards, the P3V4X, a Slot-A Athlon board, and Abit BP6, and BX6. But ISA usage is rare, I only have a SB64 AWE Gold that is ISA.
    I just threw away two SB16/SCSI cards....didn't think I'd use them again.
    “We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing.”

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      #3
      Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

      I've got a couple CUV4X that run 933mhz and 2 512megs well. I haxn't tried o/c, but I'm sure they could run a little faster. Sounds like you might have a BX based Slot 1 board?

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        #4
        Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

        Haha, I don't know how I left that out. It's an Abit BH6, so 440BX Slot1. I just updated the BIOS to the latest bin and it now retains the CPU setting and recognizes it correctly. Haven't tried the old 500, again yet. I have no interest in overclocking, I just figured that the fastest possible boards that still retain ISA would be the last ones produced and easier to find.

        The P3-500 meets the req's for XP, and now it's running a 733, although I like that the old 500 has 512k cache whereas the 733 only has 256k. The BIOS flash didn't fix the RAM problem. I found though that I can stick one of the sticks in slot 1 and the other in slot 3 and both read half a side so I have 512 for now.
        Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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          #5
          Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

          Glad you managed to support the Coppermine 733. If your video card can handle the out of spec clock due to 133 MHz FSB, then stick with the 733 over the 500 Katmai.
          No comparison, the Coppermine is WAY faster. The extra L2 cache in the Katmai doesn't help here due to being asynchronous and slower than the cpu clock compared to the synched 256 KB L2.
          I ran both cpus in my 'fried' AOpen motherboard, and sold the 500 Katmai.
          Besides, if you plan to run XP, the 500 will be dragging its ass. Meeting req's for XP is something MS wants you to believe, but these minimum specs are torture on real world usage. It can be done....I've seen some P-2 450 Sony laptops running XP on 64 MB! But the IT guy had to trim out a lot to the bare minimum.

          For slower systems, if one sticks to a vectored graphics desktop environment with XP, it goes a long way in speeding up the OS.
          Also, disabling a lot of unnecessary services in XP will make it more efficient.

          Good luck on your system, and board search.
          “We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
          We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing.”

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            #6
            Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

            I found this deal for a motherboard with ISA/CPU combo, BUT I do not know if it works with ECC DIMMs or if the combo even works: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?inv...VIA-K1&cat=MBB This seems speedy at 1.8 ghz IF it works.

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              #7
              Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

              Never mind about my post. The chipset doesn't support ECC.

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                #8
                Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                I will recommand Abit KT7A/RAID with the fastest mothbaord with a ISA slot.
                My SAMXON Capacitors Database HERE!!

                X-CON is a new brand for SAMXON's Polymer Capacitors.

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                  #9
                  Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                  That's pretty sweet! I'm not positive this is ECC RAM. I thought I had researched them at one time and found that they were, but I was just searching the numbers on them and can't find anything on these exact sticks. It runs whether I select ECC or Non-ECC mode in the BIOS. And the P3-500 works, now. Everything seems to run the same, but that's probably because I installed XP on a 1.7GB so it's crawling when it comes to read time. Hehe!

                  I intended to run Kubuntu, but I don't have a writer and my brothers Plextor writer will not write data CD's anymore so I can't write the ISO to a disc. This is apparently a common problem on his model drive and mysteriously happens after 2 years without fail as many others mad posts will affirm. *sigh*


                  Edit: Thanks for the suggestion, BigPope. And the Samxon's seem to be doing their job in my SL350. I must learn to use my oscillioscope so I can see how the rails look.
                  Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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                    #10
                    Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                    Aren't ECC DIMMs usually have a odd number of chips per side?
                    Correct me if I'm wrong guys, memory is failing.


                    Kubuntu is probably very well supported, like Ubuntu, but if you're going KDE, you may want to try PCLinuxOS 2007. Very nice KDE desktop, very slick and quite fast.

                    Hmmm I wonder if you can dump the ISO into a HDD partition with powerISO or similar, and boot the system via floppy or CD, and launch the install? Just thinking out loud.
                    “We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
                    We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing.”

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                      #11
                      Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                      I'm not positive this is ECC RAM.
                      ECC modules will have enough chips to support a 72-bit bus, versus the 64-bit bus for non-ECC. Normally that means it will have 9 chips on each side, instead of 8. It's common to see modules with the middle chip unpopulated, that's the chip they would have added if it were being sold as ECC.
                      =========

                      The only common chipset for a P3 that supports 512MB modules I can think of would be the VIA Apollo Pro 133 or 133A. The markings for those are VT82C693A and VT82C694X. Personally I don't trust those chipsets, I'd consider that a downgrade from your 440BX. But if you want 512MB modules on a P3 then you probably have to go VIA. And I'm not sure if the VIA chips are able to support ECC, but they should still run even if they can't utilize that feature.

                      The only P3 Intel option would be to get a 440GX. But half of those don't have an AGP slot in addition to some CPU caveats. They do support 512MB modules though, but they're picky about them and you may find yours don't end up working anyway.

                      Since you seem interested in upgrading CPU's I think your options are either an early-midrange Athlon or an early P4. An Athlon KT133A (VIA) board can handle the "266" FSB processors, which gets you up to around the "2000+" range if the board is good. Some of them may have BIOS updates for the Thoroughbred processors, which run cooler. You can also go with an ECS K7S5A (SiS735 based), which takes both DDR and SDRAM. It maxes out at 1GB though. SDRAM ends after these earlier boards, and ISA seems to end along with it.

                      On the Intel side you could get an SDRAM P4 board, which I'm not familiar with. I assume ISA still exists on those. The newer uPGA478 processor socket has more upgrade headroom, but might not be as common with ISA slots.

                      ========
                      As for the 440BX, you can have up to 1GB if you use a board with 4 memory slots, but they'll never recognize the 512MB sticks you have. On my board (P2B-F) I find that more than 768MB at 133FSB is when I start to have posting problems. It's stable, but it won't always see all of the memory without a warm reset. The proper solution for that problem is to use registered memory, but I just finished beefing up the capacitors on the board which has helped some.

                      On your current BX-based board, make sure you're using the 133/33 clock setting, not 133/44. If your board is running the PCI at 44MHz then you could have frustrating problems with it, and I think many BX boards make it easy to do that on accident.

                      ==========

                      I had those hissing/electronic noises on all 3 of my old Sound Blasters. Some models are much better though - I'm now using a CT2800 which is quite clean.
                      If you want to read lots of detail about legacy Sound Blaster models, then check this out:
                      http://queststudios.com/smf/index.ph....html#msg23496

                      I think that's a direct link, but if not then you have to scroll down a ways to see the post I'm referring to.

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                        #12
                        Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                        For P4 there's the SOYO SY-P4I845PE, although it's non-ECC memory

                        For Athlon there's VIA KT133A boards, some will run the fastest 266FSB Thoroughbreds, but do not support ECC I think

                        My IWill KK266 runs a Palomino XP1800 no problems

                        There's also the Epox 8KTA3+Pro – runs up to a Thoroughbred XP2400 if you get a Rev. 1.0 board – Epox's CPU support chart attached

                        Epox of that era do suffer from bad caps though – as a preventative measure I replaced the GSC on mine with Samxon GD from Big Pope – ran a Thoroughbred XP2400 no problems before & after the recap
                        Attached Files
                        better to keep quiet and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

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                          #13
                          Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                          So I ended up snagging one of my Paps' bad board, which happens to be a KT7. It's not an A or a RAID, but it will work. Needs a full recap; this thing lost the caps something awful. Should be doing a poly mod on this board. I'll get started as soon as I can. ...just as soon as kc sends me my DANG TOYS!!! (polys) hehe! To think that kids save their money to buy xbox360 games, whereas I (and maybe many of you) think to myself, "I could buy a double-western-bacon-cheeseburger at carls jr... but if I go to costco and get a polish dog for $1.50, instead I could use the money I saved to buy more caps!" heh
                          Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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                            #14
                            Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                            Originally posted by Logistics
                            So I ended up snagging one of my Paps' bad board, which happens to be a KT7. It's not an A or a RAID, but it will work. Needs a full recap; this thing lost the caps something awful. Should be doing a poly mod on this board. I'll get started as soon as I can. ...just as soon as kc sends me my DANG TOYS!!! (polys) hehe! To think that kids save their money to buy xbox360 games, whereas I (and maybe many of you) think to myself, "I could buy a double-western-bacon-cheeseburger at carls jr... but if I go to costco and get a polish dog for $1.50, instead I could use the money I saved to buy more caps!" heh
                            (shakes box)rattle sound.carrier pick up of my latest batch of stuff will occur today.
                            i wasnt thinking when i did the kt7-a raid.
                            oh well its done in mbz so its irrelevant now.
                            i hear this board can use a few other cpu's.
                            it now has a athlon xp in it that shows to be running at 2000mhz.
                            its stable for weeks running mprime.i got tired of waiting for it to crash!

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                              #15
                              Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                              Your biggest issue is chipset. All is shot to hell after last generation of BX, and there are no socket 370 133 FSB intel chipset with greater than 512MB capability. And there wasn't GOOD chipset either, not VIA, not ALi.

                              The another option is A7N8X with 2000 Pro or XP and a barton core cpu (512K cpu) with all PATA (avoid SATA) or Intel P4 northwood. Otherwise: Go with C2D with SATA. Sorry.

                              You'll not get your current system working right with the 133fsb overclocked on the BX and the AGP is screaming at high speed than 66mhz that will eventually blow AGP card and majority of AGP cards can't handle this high. And you have discovered why older chipsets REQUIRES 16 chips memory modules to use 256 or 512MB per side. These are in high demand therefore high price even on USED sticks. :o

                              What kind of modification do you do to the sound card and I wanted to read about it.

                              Cheers, Wizard

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                                #16
                                Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                                Here's a HOT ISA mobo for you!

                                Core 2 Quad & Core 2 Duo Motherboard
                                with ISA & PCI Slots!
                                MB-P4BWA Industrial ATX Motherboard
                                for LGA775 Intel® Core 2 Quad/Duo Processors

                                http://www.adek.com/ATX-motherboards.htm

                                DDR2 RAM is free with your lunch nowdays, you can get 512MB for $5.99!
                                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145569

                                Or 1GB for $7.99!
                                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148239
                                "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                                  #17
                                  Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                                  fucking hell you can have anything in this world

                                  bet it cost $500 though
                                  capacitor lab yachtmati techmati

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                                    #18
                                    Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                                    Originally posted by willawake
                                    fucking hell you can have anything in this world

                                    bet it cost $500 though
                                    yep.
                                    industrial=$$$$$$$$$$$$$
                                    i deal with this stuff daily.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                                      "long life industrial motherboards" ... with lytics..!? o.O

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                                        #20
                                        Re: What's a HOT Motherboard with ISA?

                                        Looks like solid polymers to me?
                                        "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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