Vista compatibilities.

[bgavin]

Re: Vista compatibilities.

Ahh... a new low in computer science. Blocking a blank page as a phishing threat...



Geez don't the idiots in Bangalore-Redmond test ANYTHING before they release it?

[willawake]

Re: Vista compatibilities.

this from another forum perhaps sums it up

Somebody on this forum said not so long ago.

Put your head between the door and closed it real hard. That,s about Windows Vista.

So if you want a lot of troubles just use Vista.

good luck !

[Newbie2]

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Vista Home Premium runs on my PC well with 1GB of RAM, and my backup PC on 512MB runs Vista Home Premium with acceptable speed.

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My Mom has a new HP ZX6000 laptop with a dual core Turion64 and 1GB of RAM, and Vista Premium CRAWLS on it... I'm really considering talking her into getting XP for it. She uses it to play World Of Warcraft, of all things

HP machines crawl because of all that junk HP loads on to the PC before it's shipped out. I've experienced that before in 2003 with a then-new HP Pavilion 514n desktop with XP Home.

I have an Acer Aspire 5050-5554 with the dual-core Turion 64 1.6GHz CPU and 1GB DDR2 RAM, and it came with XP MCE. It was slow, due to all the junk on the system. Formatted the HD, put clean install of Vista Home Premium, install Acer Launch Manager and drivers, and it runs better than it did with XP MCE.

[Maxxarcade]

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Ya, I figured the factory installed crap was a big part of it. In fact I recently bought a used Compaq Evo N610C that had the factory WinXP on it still. After a fresh install, it was easily 3x as fast.

Problem with my Mom's laptop is, I don't have any plain Vista disc to do a fresh install from. The one that comes with it has all the preloaded crap I'm pretty sure. And I don't think I can use a normal OEM disc with the existing COA on the laptop to install Vista like I can WinXP, due to new copy protection/activation stuff.

[bgavin]

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If you bought the recovery CDs that came with the machine, the OS does not have the bundled crap. It is customized to use the vendor serial number, etc, but the bundled crap is on the auxilliary cd sets.

If you use the recovery partition on the hard disk, this is complete with bundled crap.

[Newbie2]

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Ya, I figured the factory installed crap was a big part of it. In fact I recently bought a used Compaq Evo N610C that had the factory WinXP on it still. After a fresh install, it was easily 3x as fast.

Problem with my Mom's laptop is, I don't have any plain Vista disc to do a fresh install from. The one that comes with it has all the preloaded crap I'm pretty sure. And I don't think I can use a normal OEM disc with the existing COA on the laptop to install Vista like I can WinXP, due to new copy protection/activation stuff.

I bought a Vista OEM DVD (with valid COA and key) for my main PC that I bought a few days after Vista was released (Jan. 30 2007) at some local small computer store along with a LG DVD+RW burner. I ordered a Vista Express Upgrade from Acer for my laptop, and once it arrived, I popped in my good old Vista OEM DVD, booted off of it, formatted the HD, used the key on the COA sticker that came with my Express Upgrade, and it instantly went on to the installation. I activated it successfully with no problems once I got to the desktop and hooked it up to the Internet.

I never used the included Vista Acer Express Upgrade DVD, just a normal Vista OEM DVD.

Yes, from my experience, you can use a normal Vista OEM DVD with an OEM Vista COA.

If you bought the recovery CDs that came with the machine, the OS does not have the bundled crap. It is customized to use the vendor serial number, etc, but the bundled crap is on the auxilliary cd sets.

If you use the recovery partition on the hard disk, this is complete with bundled crap.

Recovery discs from HP do contain crap on them. I used to have an HP Pavilion 514n, and the 60GB hard drive crashed a few months after I bought it in 2003. Got another 60GB hard drive, and ordered recovery discs from HP. Recovered the system, and when I went to my desktop, all the junk was there exactly like it was when I first plugged it in and began using it.

Recovery discs are not a clean install of Windows, they are just for putting the machine back to factory-installed condition with all the loaded junk.

[Maxxarcade]

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So an off the shelf, OEM Vista CD will work with the COA that is on the bottom of the laptop?

I remember someone who had a Toshiba laptop with WinXP Home on it that needed a fresh install, and a standard OEM WinXP Home CD did not accept the key on the laptop's COA. He ended up having to use the custom WinXP CD that came with it, loaded with crap of course.

I Also have an HP XT963 desktop that has a WinXP home COA on the case. It will work with a normal OEM WinXP home SP1 CD, but not SP2. I had to install SP1 first and upgrade to SP2 after installing.

How many different versions of the COA did MS make for WinXP? I also heard somewhere that the activation code for some OEM laptops was stored in the BIOS, so that the factory install CD would not need to be activated. I can't see that being true, though.

[Newbie2]

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So an off the shelf, OEM Vista DVD will work with the COA that is on the bottom of the laptop?

From my experience, that is right!

Here's what I used that worked (plain OEM Vista DVD and COA sticker from Express Upgrade, with key erased out)

[Newbie2]

Re: Vista compatibilities.

Here's what it shows after I activated it. (the last 12 numbers I erased out)



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If you buy a plain Vista OEM DVD from a computer store, it should also come with a COA sticker which has the key on it. The style of the sticker on the OEM DVD case bought from the store will be different from large (HP, DELL, Compaq, etc.) OEM stickers, but the key will still be of the same type.

If you have any problems with the key on the HP Vista OEM COA sticker, the key on the COA sticker provided with the OEM Vista DVD should work.

[Newbie2]

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How many different versions of the COA did MS make for WinXP? I also heard somewhere that the activation code for some OEM laptops was stored in the BIOS, so that the factory install CD would not need to be activated. I can't see that being true, though.

The reason why it is because when you recover a PC with recovery discs from the manufacturer, you don't need to activate since it is there is a system for large OEMs called SLP (System Locked Preinstallation). I think there is information in the BIOS for it, and when a large OEM's copy of Windows is installed and used, it will detect that info on boot-up and not prompt the user to activate Windows. I don't know a lot about how it works, I might be incorrect, but there is information about it on the Internet.

[PCBONEZ]

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Actually I think it's "Vista" = "Windows ME-2"

Why would anyone WANT an operating system that requires twice the RAM to get the same old performance. ???

I never up?graded my Win2k to XP for the same reason.

Linux is FREE in 57 flavors.
- And you don't need a new system to use it.

Did Bill Gates name his company after his manhood?
Micro-Soft ????

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[Newbie2]

Re: Vista compatibilities.

Actually I think it's "Vista" = "Windows ME-2"

Why would anyone WANT an operating system that requires twice the RAM to get the same old performance. ???

I never up?graded my Win2k to XP for the same reason.

Linux is FREE in 57 flavors.
- And you don't need a new system to use it.

Did Bill Gates name his company after his manhood?
Micro-Soft ????

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Windows 2000 doesn't include many features that you would find in XP (System Restore, Windows Movie Maker, Luna appearence, etc.) that would be of convenience. Windows Vista, depending on what version you have, will have Windows DVD Maker, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, the sidebar, and all sorts of things.

So, XP is still the most used version of Windows, but Vista I see is a more superior OS, if you have the hardware to run it with good performance. Older PCs I still use 2000 or XP.

I don't see why Vista is the second version of Windows ME.

[PCBONEZ]

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Windows 2000 doesn't include many features that you would find in XP (System Restore, Windows Movie Maker, Luna appearence, etc.) that would be of convenience. Windows Vista, depending on what version you have, will have Windows DVD Maker, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, the sidebar, and all sorts of things.

So, XP is still the most used version of Windows, but Vista I see is a more superior OS, if you have the hardware to run it with good performance. Older PCs I still use 2000 or XP.

I don't see why Vista is the second version of Windows ME.

System Restore - Known how to do that since DOS.
Windows Movie Maker - I don't make movies.
Luna appearence - I wouldn't use it if I had it.
Windows DVD Maker -Is crap. I use Nero.
Windows Contacts - Yeah, I do a lot of that.
Windows Calendar - Don't use 'em.
All sorts of things - that are junk I (and most people) don't use and are partially preloaded into memory when you start up thereby using up memory for unnessesary/unused tasks and that slow your computer down.

Windows is like AOL.
Windows is most popular for the same reason AOL got popular.
It's for people that are too inept, lazy, or in too big a hurry to figure out how to do things on their own.

Linux used to be confusing and hard to learn so people got hooked on Windows.
- Microsoft is a pusher, they got you addicted now they are raping your wallet.
Linux is FREE, does EVERYTHING Windows does, and it's not 'hard' anymore.

There are HUNDREDS of places that are using ME-2 as the 'pet name' for Vista. - When it's that common there is a reason. The reasons would be is Vista is mostly useless fluf (eye candy) without much solid substance, and it slows an otherwise perfectly good computer down to a snail's pace.

You'll need 2 GB of RAM to get the same performance I get with 512 MB.

Selling fluf with no substance will eventually bite a company in the arse.
Notice AOL is on it's way out as an ISP?
Vista is affecting Microsoft the same way.
First OS they had to lower the price on to get OEM's to take it.
Dell now offers factory (consumer level) systems with Linux.
- First major company to openly go against Microsoft.

Nuff said.

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[starfury1]

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Ok mate no experience with Vista at all and this is only from what I gather

Yeah I heard 2GB is its sweet spot and yeah not so sure I'd rushing to install that either on older type box Stevo

But I guess your probably going to be forced to do it cause sounds as if they want it...I dont think it has the same grace period of install (if any at all)

I would as outlined, do an image to a spare HDD check it works before you kill the original

Apart from the probs outlined above the oem I think is much more tightly controlled
Here is a review of it that has some info that may help you Here if you must
the page about installing here

(might be a bit old the info)

How to install vista in 2 minutes Here for a bit of comic frustration release.....Now tell us how you really feel mate


this is probably off topic some what

Humm well what turns me off with windows is the anti piracy crap and activation

I once put a piece of HW in that shouldn't have not triggered a reactivation, it did and them it wouldn't (think it was the firewall I was using at the time)
So yeah not happy......
I think Vista may have some core improvements etc but at the end of the day, more computing power to run an OS.... sort of defeats the purpose of having a faster box (not to mention the run home to billyware, there is more of so I believe)

plus the X amount of versions.... (there is only 3 that most would go for anyway)
(and some of the basic versions are some what more hobbled I think too)

Each to there own but me I'll stick with XP, and now with the "Genuine advantage" BS its becoming a pain too...thats enough sorry bill I wont be running out and buying Vista anytime soon
somewhat over priced and over bloated OS, that took your mob years to come up with

I am not saying I mightn't like it
just not prepared to put up with more possible hassles with install. re installs..it An OS not the crown jewels. put it in its place and sell it cheaply without the anti piracy crap that gets in your face when it crashes and reinstalls have to be done.

I have played a bit with linux at around the time RH 5.2 was around also a bit with yellow dog and Ubuntu I really am thinking linux is the way to go.
I really have to put together a permanent Linux box

Just my thoughts on it.

Cheers

BTW my XP's are paid for and legal versions

[stevo1210]

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Ok mate no experience with Vista at all and this is only from what I gather

Yeah I heard 2GB is its sweet spot and yeah not so sure I'd rushing to install that either on older type box Stevo

But I guess your probably going to be forced to do it cause sounds as if they want it...I dont think it has the same grace period of install (if any at all)

Well, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I installed Vista for my friend using my copy, without entering a CD key or activating it. This was to see how it went before they actually spent the $220 on the real copy at the stores.

If I remember correctly, the period that we are allowed to use it for was 30 days before haveing to enter a CD key and activating it, after that the PC is locked completely and cannot be logged in at all.... he never got to that stage though.

Within a day, he was begging me to get rid of Vista because half his games didn't work and his video editing software (Pinnacle 9 series) refused to work with Vista.

I had to re-install his copy of XP back onto his PC. It seems like Vista is full of issues at the moment.
Windows Vista Home Premium came with my Dell laptop and my favourite games won't work with it.

[Newbie2]

Re: Vista compatibilities.

I have a small list of software that Vista either didn't want to work with or didn't work at all:

1. LOCK ON: Modern Air Combat
2. Norton AntiVirus 2004 (I got NA2007 to get my antivirus)
3. Nero 6 Ultra Edition (nothing works, except Nero Burning ROM)

I think there's more in my collection that will not work, but I didn't yet test the rest of my older software that ran fine when I had XP.


>If I remember correctly, the period that we are allowed to use it for was 30 days before haveing to enter a CD key and activating it, after that the PC is locked completely and cannot be logged in at all.... he never got to that stage though.

In Vista it's 30 days. After that, and it's still not activated, the only usable program is Internet Explorer 7. You'll only have 1 hour before it automatically logs you out. When you get on, it will prompt you to activate Windows, and if you don't, you can use IE7 for about one hour. The desktop is black, which isn't so nice. I haven't experienced it, but I've seen it in a computer store before.

[Per Hansson]

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In Vista it's 30 days. After that, and it's still not activated, the only usable program is Internet Explorer 7. You'll only have 1 hour before it automatically logs you out. When you get on, it will prompt you to activate Windows, and if you don't, you can use IE7 for about one hour. The desktop is black, which isn't so nice. I haven't experienced it, but I've seen it in a computer store before.

With some creative work you can still crack Vista in this mode, I did that before doing the "real" BIOS hack instead... (I installed a driver which makes the OS think I have one of the OEM Laptops/whatever and thusly allows me to use their CD-Keys...)

Oh, I'm posting this from my Windows 2000 installation, wonder why...

I was actually very postive about Vista at first, but not any more, they will have to realize that the fucking annoying UAC mode must go away and that running administrator accounts as normal user accounts is not possible in Windows. Waaay to much shit requires admin rights thus those fucking prompts all the time

[Newbie2]

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I was actually very postive about Vista at first, but not any more, they will have to realize that the fucking annoying UAC mode must go away and that running administrator accounts as normal user accounts is not possible in Windows. Waaay to much shit requires admin rights thus those fucking prompts all the time

Actually UAC can be disabled. There are a few ways. Instructions about how to are here. I haven't tried it, so I don't know if it works.
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm

I have gotten used to UAC, though people I know will never. They keep getting fed up at the Vista PC when UAC comes up and then he/she will ask me "How do you disable this stupid thing in Vista?!".

This thread I see has turned into a Vista discussion than stevo1210's question on if the PC he wants to install Vista on will be compatible with Vista. This thread should be renamed "Vista discussion".

[Paul S]

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It sounds as if the Vista security system (UAC) is modeled after Linux.

In Linux you can't change or install anything without first entering the root (administrator) password. I found this tedious at first, but figured it was the price you had to pay for tighter security.

If you really like to enter your root password, use Ubuntu. It has no root account, so you can't actually log in as root.

[PCBONEZ]

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According to ECS the only Vista driver for that board is the RAID.
They don't have Vista drivers for anything else on the board.
- So it looks like you are safe for now.