For the CRT monitor freaks - highest resolution you ran on your tube?

[Wizard]

Re: For the CRT monitor freaks - highest resolution you ran on your tube?

There are many good LCD monitors in sub 5ms to 10ms. And don't be just passive, demand loudly to the LCD monitor makers to fix the lag in the scaler board. Going by native resolution and HDMI/DVI bypasses the scaling delays.
Also to anyone who have decent monitor and TV like samsung, change name for the input to "game" will shut down the scaling and video processing to give you the minimum delay. Other compititors may have this feature but that takes some digging to find out.

High resolution LED LCD monitors are out there, be prepared to pay. I do not care for the CRT due to heat and bulkiness. And good to go green anyway.

Cheers, Wizard

[brethin]

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That 20.0 ms responce time kills it for gaming.

[joshnz]

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That is commonly known as ghosting, and it was a major problem with older panels. What year was your LCD made?

Not a clue It's a hp Pavilion f1903 20.0 ms response time.
I will be using the Samsung monitor that I fixed soon.

[brethin]

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It is as harmful as dihydrogen monoxide.

seriously, that myth was debunked a long time ago. I have been that close for my whole life and aside from some near-sighted-ness (genetic), my eyes have been fine.

I have underware as old as you so the "My whole life" thing isn't saying much. It's not a myth just wait till you get close to 50 and see.

[ratdude747]

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Too close to your face. Bad for your eyes.

It is as harmful as dihydrogen monoxide.

seriously, that myth was debunked a long time ago. I have been that close for my whole life and aside from some near-sighted-ness (genetic), my eyes have been fine.

[momaka]

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I love big CRTs. Hope I'm not too late for the party .
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Highest I could do was 1920x1200 @ 85 Hz on my GDM-FW900 . It's simply amazing. What I said when I first turned it on:

I fucking love Trinitrons.

I actually wanted to push it higher just to see what it would look like (technically it can do 2304x1440), but the computer I had it hooked up to couldn't push it past 1920x1200 (old AMD 750 MHz with Radeon 7200 with 64 MB VRAM).
That monitor is now sitting on the floor of my room. Why? - because all of my computers are just too old for it. Sure I can run it, but then my computer lags horribly because most of them simply don't have enough power to scale things at that resolution. Watching video (be it YouTube or regular video) without the computer lagging horribly is impossible, so I can't really enjoy that monitor fully at this moment. When I get a better computer some day, though, I'll hook it up and enjoy it to its full potential. For now, it waits (nicely covered so no dust can get in it).

The other monitor that I could set to a pretty remarkable resolution was an old 17" KFC Smile CA6738SL. Maximum it did was 1600x1200 (@ 75 Hz if I remember correctly). Looked blurry, though, since the tube is only 0.25mm dot-pitch. Also very dark. Even 1280x960 wasn't very clear. 1152x864 was okay. Only 1024x768 was very crisp.
This monitor has a shadow mask tube made by NEC, though, so the image quality is actually very good. And one thing I definitely like about it is the refresh rates - allows me to do 100 Hz at 1024x768! What about 800x600? - 160 Hz! Not bad for an average monitor made in 1998. Excellent contrast and very deep blacks, too. I tried it out again recently, and it's making me reconsider the shadow mask technology. Maybe now I need to look for big shadow mask displays on Craiglist. A nice 21" NEC would be a good addition to my collection .

though my desk will likely have to suffer a remodel to support it.

yes, you'll need some bricks and cement.

I just cant bring myelf to throw it away...

No, don't ever think again about throwing it away! Ever! (it hurts me when you do )

I used to have a 15" CRT that had a maximum resolution of 1280x1024. I think that would be almost unreadable. I wouldn't even use a 17" CRT at that resolution.

I agree. 1024x768 is the max I'd use on a 17" CRT. Most get pretty blurry after that anyways, so no point.

i can read it just fine...

Too close to your face. Bad for your eyes.

Would love to get them going and use them, but I have pretty much zero experience with CRTs.

Me either. But I'll help with what I can cause I love CRTs. They actually aren't that dangerous at all. Sure there are high voltages inside, but the currents at those voltages are usually too low to kill (unless you have a weak heart or something).
After unplugging it and discharging the tube anode, it should be safe to work. Also make sure to check the primary cap - most PSUs will discharge it right away, but in the case of my KFC Smile, it held the cap fully charged for a week. Almost zapped myself. Good think I checked it with a multimeter first.

and the light from a CRT is good for your eyes.

I don't know if it really is "good", but I agree with what you're saying and I like it better too. Definitely better than LCD. CCFLs emit a lot of UV light.

I also like the fact that when I dim my CRTs, both the black and white levels dim evenly, whereas on an LCD, the whites become dark but the blacks are still not very good.

A big guy like you needs a big monitor... go for it.

Don't know about RD, but in my case, the monitor weighs almost as much as I do.
(42 kg vs 60 kg). And I carried two of these beasts from the owner's house to my car (about 20 meters), then through a narrow area in my garage, and finally 2 floors up to my room - all by myself.
At least no one can steal them easily .

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

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(I think it's some very old screen technology before TFT)

It's probably a passive matrix.

[Agent24]

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The new LCDs have pretty good response times but the old ones were horrible... the pixels can't turn off fast enough and you get ghosting around fast-moving elements.

Take my IBM 380ED laptop for example, the response time on that is hideous. In fact it's so bad it gives most DOS games the impression of some kind of 'fake antialiasing' (I think it's some very old screen technology before TFT)

You can easily tell too, when dragging windows around the screen when the text and window edge etc goes extremely blurry while dragging.

The motion is certainly fluid - no jerking etc but it's the response time that sucks.

Well, start a new topic, what are you waiting for. You've done your fair share of repairs i see, if you can grab hold of a service manual it shouldn't be too hard.

I'm sure I'll try it eventually, but to be honest they still kinda scare me...

[Per Hansson]

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Highest was 2048x1536 at 85hz
I usually ran at 1600x1200 at 100hz because things just got too damn small otherwise, gaming was great at that res tho!
Monitor was an Eizo Flexscan, the model escapes me.
It was not due to choice but because it failed that I switched to LCD's, spent allot of time researching tho and in the end got a Eizo S2000 that I still use now several years later...

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

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my old LG Flatron 19inch did 1920x1400 @75Hz. which was pretty pointless for anything besides graphics editing.
it was a bit bulky (~25kg) for the move a few years ago so it ended on the curb I think. pretty sure it found a new home in some gypsy trailer.
got it cheap (50€ or so) and it really was a great monitor. perfectly flat, no trinitron wires, BNC input, USB hub....

Nice. My Nokia isn't perfectly flat but i don't mind. It also doesn't have that stupid purple antiglare coating, so nothing to get scratched on it. Owning both types of tube (regular shadow mask and Trinitron), IMO the regular tube is better... I don't mind the Trinitron wires, but as you get close to the physical resolution of the tube the Trinitron starts behaving somewhat like the scaling on a LCD - the rows become noticeable on small text. While a regular shadow mask tube just becomes blurry if the resolution is too high.

People were always complaining about the motion in LCDs for games... I think this is a bunch of hooey.

Nowadays, yes. Back in the day it was a big problem. Especially with laptops.

But I agree that CRTs are still better. Why? No fixed aspect ratio and the light from a CRT is good for your eyes.

Agreed 100%. Plus you get a contrast control that can do "night mode". I always run low contrast at night. It doesn't strain my eyes with text, and it gives games a surreal atmosphere.

I much prefer CRTs for gaming etc, faster response, better quality colours and proper blacks.

I've got a Sony CPD-G500 21" and IBM 6652-T3S 21" in the basement... sadly neither of them work.

Would love to get them going and use them, but I have pretty much zero experience with CRTs.

Well, start a new topic, what are you waiting for. You've done your fair share of repairs i see, if you can grab hold of a service manual it shouldn't be too hard.

The current lcd monitor I have is bad when in game it streaks especially when going form white to black so if I were to drag a window with dark borders u see where it's just been dragged from.

That is commonly known as ghosting, and it was a major problem with older panels. What year was your LCD made?

not if i beat you to it!

almost had the chance too, but TC had to fix a water heater that day...

A big guy like you needs a big monitor... go for it.

[ratdude747]

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^ If I'm ever in MO I'll take that lovely beast off your hands. I fucking love Trinitrons.

not if i beat you to it!

almost had the chance too, but TC had to fix a water heater that day...

[joshnz]

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The current lcd monitor I have is bad when in game it streaks especially when going form white to black so if I were to drag a window with dark borders u see where it's just been dragged from.

[kikkoman]

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that is not a problem anymore nowadays. anything with a response time below 8ms (although values are often blown up, grey-to-grey not black-to-white) is fine IMO.
i still have a 17' backup LCD which is a 16ms PVA panel. color is great, but if you crank up the contrast to acceptable levels, the shadowing becomes very noticeable.

a lot of the earlier LCD TVs had crappy comb filters though, when at the same time LCD monitors were just fine.

[mockingbird]

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People were always complaining about the motion in LCDs for games... I think this is a bunch of hooey. I have played countless hours of Age Of Chivalry on an LCD, I never noticed any fluidity ptoblems.

But I agree that CRTs are still better. Why? No fixed aspect ratio and the light from a CRT is good for your eyes.

[Agent24]

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I much prefer CRTs for gaming etc, faster response, better quality colours and proper blacks.

I've got a Sony CPD-G500 21" and IBM 6652-T3S 21" in the basement... sadly neither of them work.

Would love to get them going and use them, but I have pretty much zero experience with CRTs.

[kc8adu]

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samsung crt's were always junk.the worst being the blue label ones.they were retired mitsubishi tech but too many corners cut.high end samsung monitors had panasonic or hitachi crt's.

In 2000 I paid around $600 for a 19" Samsung 950p. Back then, for some reason, it was "cool" to run your screen at 1600x1200. I ran a fluorescent fixture for my fishtank near my screen, so I had to run the screen at 60hz or else it would flicker horribly.

Long story short, I ended up settling on 1280x960.

4 years later the screen became so dim, I gave it to someone. Now that I think about it, no doubt Samsung was using some garbage Korean capacitors inside there like Samwha or Samyoung.

What a shame they stopped making CRTs. Darn hippies!

[kikkoman]

Re: For the CRT monitor freaks - highest resolution you ran on your tube?

my old LG Flatron 19inch did 1920x1400 @75Hz. which was pretty pointless for anything besides graphics editing.
it was a bit bulky (~25kg) for the move a few years ago so it ended on the curb I think. pretty sure it found a new home in some gypsy trailer.
got it cheap (50€ or so) and it really was a great monitor. perfectly flat, no trinitron wires, BNC input, USB hub....
one of the few good things LG put on the market. I think my sister still has one in the closet.

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

Re: For the CRT monitor freaks - highest resolution you ran on your tube?

It looks like 1152x864 is the highest resolution this monitor can display while still having a good picture.

Same experience with all 17" CRTs. Though i did recently give away one that did 1280x960 crystal clear, but the 60Hz refresh was killing me.

What a shame they stopped making CRTs. Darn hippies!

Yeah, and they officially discontinued SED research too. That would've been the bomb.

[mockingbird]

Re: For the CRT monitor freaks - highest resolution you ran on your tube?

In 2000 I paid around $600 for a 19" Samsung 950p. Back then, for some reason, it was "cool" to run your screen at 1600x1200. I ran a fluorescent fixture for my fishtank near my screen, so I had to run the screen at 60hz or else it would flicker horribly.

Long story short, I ended up settling on 1280x960.

4 years later the screen became so dim, I gave it to someone. Now that I think about it, no doubt Samsung was using some garbage Korean capacitors inside there like Samwha or Samyoung.

What a shame they stopped making CRTs. Darn hippies!

[weirdlookinguy]

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^ If I'm ever in MO I'll take that lovely beast off your hands. I fucking love Trinitrons.