Anything worse than GSC???

[momaka]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Some appeared fine on the ESR meter? What does that mean? Do these measure 8x11? Were they around 0.1 ohms or lower, or a bit higher?

It was over 3 years ago when I checked (when I borrowed an ESR meter from a friend), so I don't remember what reading I got. All I remember was that I pulled the datasheet and compared, and they were in spec. And yes, they are all 8x11.

[Wester547]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

The little Teapo caps (8 mm dia and smaller) are even worse than the big ones. I just opened a bag of used Teapo SC 1000 uF, 6.3 V that I pulled from various P4SD motherboards (for those temporary "repairs"/tests), and found one cap bulging and almost leaking. I am pretty sure it wasn't like that when I put it in that bag, and IIRC some appeared fine on an ESR meter last I checked.
Sigh... cheapo Teapo .

IMO, they're all equally egregious, it just so happens that many of them are notorious for failing without showing it. See here:

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...86&postcount=1

An unused 10x20 2200uF 10V Teapo SC bulged just by sitting there for 6.5 years. My guess is that they fail without showing it so often because of the quality of the cans. Microscopic cracks in the cans probably cause the electrolyte to dry out much faster. Of course the fact that they use questionable raw materials otherwise doesn't help.

Some appeared fine on the ESR meter? What does that mean? Do these measure 8x11? Were they around 0.1 ohms or lower, or a bit higher?

[momaka]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

The little Teapo caps (8 mm dia and smaller) are even worse than the big ones. I just opened a bag of used Teapo SC 1000 uF, 6.3 V that I pulled from various P4SD motherboards (for those temporary "repairs"/tests), and found one cap bulging and almost leaking. I am pretty sure it wasn't like that when I put it in that bag, and IIRC some appeared fine on an ESR meter last I checked.
Sigh... cheapo Teapo .

[Pentium4]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Yeah. I mean, I understand why OEMs use them, because they usually last past the warranty. But yes they are all replace on sight to me, I don't even trust the little ones. Seen a lot of them fail as well.

[ReeceyBurger123]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

I agree P4 some people say that teapo are semi decent..... they aren't seen plenty of them fail they are junk.

[Pentium4]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

At least Samxon has a few good series. Can't really say the same about Teapo

[ReeceyBurger123]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

"JH" is Jianghai (a Chinese brand). Not exactly good quality but if worse comes to worse, you'll just have to replace them again. I agree about Samxon. Too many bad series on their behalf to call them good (GL, GF, GK, and GD and GC are far from impervious to failure). At the very least, their low ESR capacitors simply aren't good. I don't consider them any better than Taicon or even Yageo (Teapo).

I call them "Just Horrendous" seen plenty of them failed.

[Wester547]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

That's why you don't buy crap from Aldi.

Contrary to what old people may believe, products sold in Aldi aren't always made in Germany to the highest standards and quality, it's juts a glorified supermarket that happens to sell cheap electronic junk alongside groceries. Cheap, Chinese-made electronic junk.

Samxon are junk too, my 2009 Hisense TV died in mid 2012 due to a bunch of shitty Samxons (GD series). I used a bunch of recycled off-brand "JH" caps in their place, pulled from a 2001-era CRT TV, and the TV has been in daily use ever since without any problems whatsoever.

"JH" is Jianghai (a Chinese brand). Not exactly good quality but if worse comes to worse, you'll just have to replace them again. I agree about Samxon. Too many bad series on their behalf to call them good (GL, GF, GK, and GD and GC are far from impervious to failure). At the very least, their low ESR capacitors simply aren't good. I don't consider them any better than Taicon or even Yageo (Teapo).

[Rulycat]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

That's why you don't buy crap from Aldi.

Contrary to what old people may believe, products sold in Aldi aren't always made in Germany to the highest standards and quality, it's juts a glorified supermarket that happens to sell cheap electronic junk alongside groceries. Cheap, Chinese-made electronic junk.

Samxon are junk too, my 2009 Hisense TV died in mid 2012 due to a bunch of shitty Samxons (GD series). I used a bunch of recycled off-brand "JH" caps in their place, pulled from a 2001-era CRT TV, and the TV has been in daily use ever since without any problems whatsoever.

Tevion is Vestel I think?

[Heihachi_73]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

I no longer have the tv but it was a 32" tevion

That's why you don't buy crap from Aldi.

Contrary to what old people may believe, products sold in Aldi aren't always made in Germany to the highest standards and quality, it's juts a glorified supermarket that happens to sell cheap electronic junk alongside groceries. Cheap, Chinese-made electronic junk.

Samxon are junk too, my 2009 Hisense TV died in mid 2012 due to a bunch of shitty Samxons (GD series). I used a bunch of recycled off-brand "JH" caps in their place, pulled from a 2001-era CRT TV, and the TV has been in daily use ever since without any problems whatsoever.

[cruzinforit]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Yeah, CapXon are quite crappy. But I think they are just more popular than GSC. That said, I don't think there is an XFX GF 8400/8500/8600/9400/9500/9600 or eVGA 6/7 series card with those Sacon FZs that haven't bulged yet.

By the way, GSC/Evercon/Sacon has another new name now: Elcon. Parent company changed names to Samcon. Popular series that go bad are EEL and EEZ. You can find those on XFX GeForce 9 series low and mid-end video cards (i.e. 9400, 9500, 9600... NOT 9800). IIRC, Samcon's website also said they make solid polymers now. Run for your life

Ahh samcon. My grandfather gave me a 6 year old RCA cheapey 5.1 sound system, that died after about 8 hours of use. When I opened it up it is FULL of Samcon capacitors. One bulged.

[ReeceyBurger123]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

^ Really? In TVs? I must see a picture of that. Please do show me if you have one. This will open a whole new can of worms for unsuspecting manufacturers and buyers.

There were elcon brand no samcon my mistake I was thinking of samxon I no longer have the tv but it was a 32" tevion that had bad samxon gf on the psu and elcon on the mobo think it was a proview chassis but not 100% sure.
I recorded a youtube video of the repair of the tv will post the link when I upload it just need to find where I saved it all.

[momaka]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

^ Really? In TVs? I must see a picture of that. Please do show me if you have one. This will open a whole new can of worms for unsuspecting manufacturers and buyers.

[ReeceyBurger123]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Yeah, CapXon are quite crappy. But I think they are just more popular than GSC. That said, I don't think there is an XFX GF 8400/8500/8600/9400/9500/9600 or eVGA 6/7 series card with those Sacon FZs that haven't bulged yet.

By the way, GSC/Evercon/Sacon has another new name now: Elcon. Parent company changed names to Samcon. Popular series that go bad are EEL and EEZ. You can find those on XFX GeForce 9 series low and mid-end video cards (i.e. 9400, 9500, 9600... NOT 9800). IIRC, Samcon's website also said they make solid polymers now. Run for your life

Ohh noooo and ive see aload of failed samcons and elcons on a tv main board before as well

[TechGeek]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Uh oh... HALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[momaka]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Yeah, CapXon are quite crappy. But I think they are just more popular than GSC. That said, I don't think there is an XFX GF 8400/8500/8600/9400/9500/9600 or eVGA 6/7 series card with those Sacon FZs that haven't bulged yet.

By the way, GSC/Evercon/Sacon has another new name now: Elcon. Parent company changed names to Samcon. Popular series that go bad are EEL and EEZ. You can find those on XFX GeForce 9 series low and mid-end video cards (i.e. 9400, 9500, 9600... NOT 9800). IIRC, Samcon's website also said they make solid polymers now. Run for your life

[ReeceyBurger123]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Capxon and Samxon Gf for me replaced close to 1000 of just them absolute junk !
While I have seen quite a few failed Gsc and Fuhjyyus from when I used to work on computers nothing contrasted to the amount of Crapxon and Samxon Gf's that I have replaced.

[momaka]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

I found an old L&C power supply on the side of the road which had something rattling around inside. Took it home, took the lid off, and the outer shell of a Viva 47uF 50V cap fell out. The caps inside were a mixture of CapXon and Viva caps with two Su'scon 470uF 200V 85°C primaries, and the guts of the 47uF all over the inside with yellow electrolyte sprayed everywhere.

Common problem on these L&C/Deer PSUs from that period. Mine had the same exact cap exploded. You can see it in this thread, last picture:
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...&postcount=489

[Pentium4]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

I found an old L&C power supply on the side of the road which had something rattling around inside. Took it home, took the lid off, and the outer shell of a Viva 47uF 50V cap fell out. The caps inside were a mixture of CapXon and Viva caps with two Su'scon 470uF 200V 85°C primaries, and the guts of the 47uF all over the inside with yellow electrolyte sprayed everywhere. A few burned resistors in the mix as well.

I threw the board out sans cables without further looking at it, but kept the case and 80mm fan which was still working. It was one of those PSUs which has the fan directed inside the PC instead of out the rear.

L&C LC-230ATX (09m/98 on the sticker, so it was quite old to be fair)
+3.3V 12A
+5V 20A
+12V 7A
+5VSB 1A
-5V 0.5A
-12V 0.5A

Wow! I've never heard of that before, that's crazy!...silly L&C, always sucking at everything

[Heihachi_73]

Re: Anything worse than GSC???

Aren't Viva pretty terrible too? And CapXon are pretty bad but seem to do decently in power supplies.

I found an old L&C power supply on the side of the road which had something rattling around inside. Took it home, took the lid off, and the outer shell of a Viva 47uF 50V cap fell out. The caps inside were a mixture of CapXon and Viva caps with two Su'scon 470uF 200V 85°C primaries, and the guts of the 47uF all over the inside with yellow electrolyte sprayed everywhere. A few burned resistors in the mix as well.

I threw the board out sans cables without further looking at it, but kept the case and 80mm fan which was still working. It was one of those PSUs which has the fan directed inside the PC instead of out the rear.

L&C LC-230ATX (09m/98 on the sticker, so it was quite old to be fair)
+3.3V 12A
+5V 20A
+12V 7A
+5VSB 1A
-5V 0.5A
-12V 0.5A