Samxon is a OEM of Panasonics?

[trodas]

I just get this pic:



And I bet any recapper find it interesting. All Samxons I get in my hands (and that is over 100 of them) had the "X" on top. Now as anyone can see, there is the very typical "T" for Panasonics

WTF?

[MD Willington]

Re: Samxon is a OEM of Panasonics?

Either that, or the buy the same cans??

[kc8adu]

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or they resleeved panasonic parts?
scary that panasonic would farm out production to an iffy mfr.
and let them use something trademarked like the vent design on other brands.gonna swipe that pic and send it to matsushita!

[trodas]

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Well, Bib Pope is lean toward the OEM idea, tought it is not entierly sure. And yep, the explaination that Samxon just buy the same cans have a slight fault. This can top is Panasonic patented stuff, so, he is the only one who can use it...

There is only one question remaining. Why Panasonic has not in production caps that match the GC/GS specs, is Samxon is OEM of Panasonic?

I mean - the GC specs are clearly better (higher ripple current as well, as lower ESL) that Panasonic FM, yet their size is smaller. Now that just don't make any sense, leaving OEM producer making better caps, do it?

The Samxons are also smaller - eg. same size as Rubycons/Nichicons top-end ones. This also won't suit Panasonic. Tought the bigger size of the Pannyes aren't always disadvantage (for example for my passive coolied machines is bigger size preferable since it dissipiate the heat better that smaller one), the size simply won't fit.

And when the GA line start production (demn, we need to convince some company to use them since all is need is 20k order to start the line - and if they can sometimes use Teapos, why not Samxons GA ) it will be even more weird, as these clearly kick ass of the FM line of Pannyes.

Maybe Panasonic only bought them and let them continue their line, yet they start getting the Panasonic cans to be cost-effective and don't need to buy two different can's versions?

We are, I'm affraid, a bit in the dark there.

But it clearly cast a little bit different light on the China caps Samxons. How could they still be labeled as China ones, or we have to start call them Japansee caps now with these can's?

[arneson]

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20k order to start the line

Hm, 20,000 items at what total cost? and how much more to print "BADCAP" on the label for us?
I'd chip in to have our own caps.

[gonzo0815]

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There is only one question remaining. Why Panasonic has not in production caps that match the GC/GS specs, is Samxon is OEM of Panasonic?

I mean - the GC specs are clearly better (higher ripple current as well, as lower ESL) that Panasonic FM, yet their size is smaller. Now that just don't make any sense, leaving OEM producer making better caps, do it?

T?

To reach those kind os spec, i think you fore shure need a aqueouse solution. And even Rubycon don`t use this (at least in my opinion from the spe) in the long life series.
And may be is this the answer on those question. So they can produce the good (=non aqueouse and long lasting) caps under their own brand, while supplying the SOHO IT industry with cheap, small and perforamnt caps too.
Then they cann have both, high priced, reliable top performer for seriouse applikations, and top spec products for cost efektive and short therm duration.

[willawake]

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samxon does do business with matsushita as per their balance sheet so it is likely that the china made panasonic caps are at least some of them are made by samxon factory. panasonic fm for instance is made in Japan, Malaysia and China. The balance sheet though does not indicate what of the Panasonic range Samxon is producing. Samxon does slightly more business with Taiwan Ostor Corp. otherwise known as Ost caps. They also own a company called Dongguan Ostor-Samxon Electronics.

Samxon caps obviously differ is specification to Panasonic because they are their own design. Panasonic would not be using Samxon for R&D, just as a production factory, if that is what they are doing. Hopefully shipping in the cap materials from Japan.

Dont forget though that there is a difference between making caps for one company to their specs that are a high value product and making your own caps to your specs to sell at a cheap price. To be fair to Samxon though, that is only my speculation.

As regards Samxon caps being similar to Nichicon specs, I do not see any mention of Nichicon or indeed Chemicon in their accounts. It would be more likely for Nichicon to use Taicon to produce caps.

Regarding the T vents on Samxon caps, hmm i dont think panasonic would be amused. That is one of the least copied vent designs.

[trodas]

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arneson - no idea

gonzo0815 - yep, something like that I have in mind. And no, Rubycons aren't caps with the best specs - nowhere near is their best MCZ ones to Nichicon HZ/Samxons GA. Don't even talk about common MBZ ones, witch have worser specs that cheap and awailable from Digi-Key.com Pannyes FM, so...

willawake - could be the other way around too. Joe claim that his friend drive for Samxon factory the electrolyte from airport to it and the country of origin is Japan... Make your own conclusions.

The "T" question could be interesting to solve, tough. Look:







Yet some others still the "X" vent ones, so...

[yanz]

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I have just received a packet from Big pope (mailto: email removed for obvious reasons) full of samxon caps with X vent. They are already been installed on my systems for examination purpose.

trodas, are those caps yours? slibe.com seems like some kind of image hosting.

[trodas]

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Mine are all with "X" ones vents. We see, if in the next package I got something with "T" vents or not

Certainly it is interesting this Panasonic - Samxon relationship

I update the infos, but now I just waiting for the very special tall ones for my Antec PSU - Big Pope say that they are custom made for him


PS. yep, slibe.com is image hosting free service - unfortunately they changed the code recently somehow and the images aren't being cached anymore, witch force then reload all the time, witch is EXTREMLY bad