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  • tom66
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    • Apr 2011
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    #21
    Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

    Which buffer ICs failed? tried removing a few failed ones and see if it will fire up with a pic?
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
    For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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    • tw2005
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      • Oct 2011
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      • Australia

      #22
      Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

      Originally posted by tom66
      Which buffer ICs failed? tried removing a few failed ones and see if it will fire up with a pic?
      Don't have the gear. brought everything except the kitchen sink and the acetone

      Not worth the

      All connectors on the SD. 8 ICs on these too.

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      • Glitcher
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        • Mar 2013
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        #23
        Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

        I thought I also had this but nope. Found two resistors R521 and R522 open circuit near IC521. I initially had IC521 shorted which was replaced. replaced the resistors but still getting a short flash and then 6 blinks.

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        • tw2005
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          #24
          Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

          Originally posted by Glitcher
          I thought I also had this but nope. Found two resistors R521 and R522 open circuit near IC521. I initially had IC521 shorted which was replaced. replaced the resistors but still getting a short flash and then 6 blinks.
          Can you put a summary list of what you've replaced?

          Did you check those 2 diodes (marked 88) that I just had shorted ?

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          • tw2005
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            #25
            Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

            Buffers are in. (thanks for Overnight express) Perfect,Perfect Perfect. Fantastic image and SC is now silent with a load .

            10500 Hrs

            Now have another TNPA4782 to repair. A lot learnt here as far as what parts you can get away with , with some lateral thinking and cross relating knowledge of the 5081 boards.

            Last edited by tw2005; 04-08-2015, 07:26 PM.

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            • Glitcher
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              • Mar 2013
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              #26
              Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

              Everything I found shorted so far:

              Q441 - 45G127 replaced with a 45G128
              IC521 - replaced with the 1737
              Q551
              Q661 - RJP6065 replaced with RJP63F3
              Q601 - RJP6026
              Q701
              Q702
              IC773

              D608
              D618
              R521
              R522

              I also checked all the parts that you had shorted or suspect and none seemed shorted, but I replaced some of them just in case.
              Last edited by Glitcher; 04-08-2015, 07:54 PM.

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              • tw2005
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                • Oct 2011
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                #27
                Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                Just having a look at this spare dead 4782AF, straight away I see D618 is burnt. I'm starting to think i missed this as it's in the shadows of the heatsink .

                What's unusual is this too being revision AF , however it has a Vset cct.n So i have one which has and another not both AF. This board does look a little older so maybe mine was the last of a production change. Both TVs are P50G15A

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                • Glitcher
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                  • Mar 2013
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                  #28
                  Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                  Mine is the AB model, I got from a TCP50S1. I did the initial replacing parts and heard a pop and burnt smell which turned out to be D618, and also leading to D608 blowing ,Realizing I missed IC521 and Q551. after replacing everything again, 7 blinks turned to 6 blinks.

                  If the SC is repaired and with SC50 jumpered and SC plugged in, the set should stay on solid and no blinks correct?
                  Last edited by Glitcher; 04-08-2015, 08:04 PM.

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                  • tw2005
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                    • Oct 2011
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                    #29
                    Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                    Originally posted by Glitcher
                    Everything I found shorted so far:

                    Q441 - 45G127 replaced with a 45G128
                    IC521 - replaced with the 1737
                    Q551
                    Q661 - RJP6065 replaced with RJP63F3
                    Q601 - RJP6026
                    Q701
                    Q702
                    IC773

                    D608
                    D618
                    R521
                    R522

                    I also checked all the parts that you had shorted or suspect and none seemed shorted, but I replaced some of them just in case.
                    Does not seem quite fair does it.

                    I don't see and 2sk3018 or 78L05 regs replaced

                    have you tripled checked all smd diodes(large ones) and if 45G127 failed is the didoe in front of that ok and the 2 TO220 diode packs next to it?

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                    • tw2005
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                      #30
                      Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                      Originally posted by Glitcher
                      Mine is the AB model, I got from a TCP50S1. I did the initial replacing parts and heard a pop and burnt smell which turned out to be D618, and also leading to D608 blowing ,Realizing I missed IC521 and Q551. after replacing everything again, 7 blinks turned to 6 blinks.

                      If the SC is repaired and with SC50 jumpered and SC plugged in, the set should stay on solid and no blinks correct?
                      yep and i strongly recommend you test it that way until it does becasue I'm convinced I killed my buffer boards.

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                      • tw2005
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                        #31
                        Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                        Have you rechecked the buffers yet? I'd check Vfo at the connector to Vfg resistance

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                        • Glitcher
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                          #32
                          Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                          So far I also replaced Q818 2sk3018 and only IC771 78L05, IC724 and IC725 seem good. I checked about every large smd diode I can find and nothing seem shorted. Q441 was 45G127 (the one on the right heatsink). that one didn't have a diode in front of it. measuring the TO-220 diodes I'm getting 0.287 and OL.

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                          • tw2005
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                            #33
                            Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                            Ok, well i'm only just starting on this but is your Q451 shorted G-E ? I'm finding you have to be 100% thorough nearly skipped over that one.

                            For transistors so far, Q661,601,441,451,D618,

                            Also, can you look at R869, R613 47K near D618. 613 is burnt and I can't get a stable reading suggesting these may have an issue but have not looked at the schematic yet

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                            • tw2005
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                              #34
                              Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                              Originally posted by Glitcher
                              So far I also replaced Q818 2sk3018 and only IC771 78L05, IC724 and IC725 seem good. I checked about every large smd diode I can find and nothing seem shorted. Q441 was 45G127 (the one on the right heatsink). that one didn't have a diode in front of it. measuring the TO-220 diodes I'm getting 0.287 and OL.
                              yep got mixed up with other 45g127, both mine are dead

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                              • Glitcher
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                                #35
                                Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                                my Q451 measures 0.674 and OL on G-E on diode mode. both my R869 and R613 slowly raises in resistance until around 42.8k ohms.

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                                • tw2005
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                                  #36
                                  Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                                  Q701,702,818 no shorts but I'm replacing .

                                  I'm getting similar on those resistors. I may remove from cct and check since 1 is burnt at the solder.

                                  Well with mine at this stage I'm thinking

                                  Q601,661,441,451, 701,702,818,551
                                  D618,
                                  IC771,773,464,465(all of the Vcc lines are tied so I do not trust these inverters)
                                  IC521

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                                  • tw2005
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                                    #37
                                    Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                                    Pins 3-5 resistance on any of these IC773,464,465. What resistance do you have?

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                                    • tw2005
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                                      #38
                                      Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                                      With that zener D608 what do you get in diode mode both directions and what resistance both directions?

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                                      • Glitcher
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                                        #39
                                        Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                                        Forgot to mention I also replaced IC773, 464, and 465 to be safe. For D806 i have 0.758 and OL in diode mode, 9.75k resistance in both directions

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                                        • tw2005
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                                          #40
                                          Re: TH-P50G15A - 6 Blinks- Bad TNPA4782

                                          Originally posted by Glitcher
                                          Forgot to mention I also replaced IC773, 464, and 465 to be safe. For D806 i have 0.758 and OL in diode mode, 9.75k resistance in both directions
                                          interesting, I may have an issue there. i get the resistance but in diode 1.69 and 1.67. Do you remember waht yours was reading before you replaced it?

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