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  • freakaftr8
    Badcaps Legend
    • Oct 2012
    • 3743
    • USA

    #1

    haier le42b1380 power supply issue

    so I picked up this 42 inch Haier led tv with some shorted MOSFETs that power the 12 and 24 volt supplies. Power supply model htx-pi420402a.
    shopjimmy has a repair kit for it that supposed to repair every known problem with the power supply which there are three different issues that can happen I had the issue where I had no back lights and no 24 volt or 12 volt to power to the main board and the T CON board.
    I replaced known bad components including some LED drivers. I bought the kit and replaced every component and now I have a chirping standby and I found an extra part not included in the kit which is a Schottky barrier diode that shorted and cracked. replaced that all on the secondary side of the power supply I even replaced every component just to be sure.
    I had found a few that were iffy but still have absolutely no power on 12 on the 24 volt even though I have standby although it's chirping.
    In my knowledge in the past I have come across these power supplies having shorted rectifier diodes I have not found any bad part now but yet I still have no 12 volt dunno 24 volt. Anyone have any experience on this particular power supply?
    Last edited by freakaftr8; 11-17-2014, 12:03 AM.
    Did I leave the soldering iron on?
  • ReeceyBurger123
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    • May 2014
    • 7325
    • Britain

    #2
    Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

    Could you upload clear pictures please of the boards please ?
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    • freakaftr8
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      • Oct 2012
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      #3
      Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue





      Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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      • freakaftr8
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        • Oct 2012
        • 3743
        • USA

        #4
        Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

        it seems I have exhausted every effort to test every component on this board and I'm still not getting 12 volts or 24 volts this is really weird anyone have any ideas?
        Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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        • selldoor
          Slow Learner
          • Dec 2010
          • 7870

          #5
          Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

          Pictures are not really clear enough for trouble shooting - shooting them in daylight usually gets better result and they should be posted on the forum using manage attachments. I have added these three so the dont disappear

          With just the power supply connected to the mains what voltage do you get on the two BIG caps
          Care will be high voltage DC
          Attached Files
          Last edited by selldoor; 11-18-2014, 09:08 AM.
          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

            Are you getting >360VDC (160~170VDC when TV is plugged in but power switch is not activated) on the the two legs of the main filter 450VDC caps when power switch is activated? Without boosted PFC Voltage, the rest of the switched supply will not work.
            Any Voltages on any of the pins of the connector that goes to the man board?
            Last edited by budm; 11-18-2014, 09:55 AM.
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            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
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            • freakaftr8
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              • Oct 2012
              • 3743
              • USA

              #7
              Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

              YesI'm getting 384v at the filters. Have standby and 5v to mainboard. i press power button I get green LED but the 12 volt and 24 volt just do not come up. I replace various MOSFETs diodes and regulators that come with this kit. and I apologize for the pictures unfortunately using my cell phone sometimes it doesn't seem to post properly.
              thanks for fixing the pictures for me if you look in picture 3 you'll see the 12 volt and 24 volt regulated output supply that includes the two MOSFET transistors replaced and the two led controllers
              Last edited by freakaftr8; 11-18-2014, 10:48 AM.
              Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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              • freakaftr8
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                • Oct 2012
                • 3743
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                #8
                Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                Looks like others have this same or similar issues. They use this supply in different branded tvs all the same unit. Seiki, viore, haier. All cheap junk. Panels not even samsung. Some off the wall brand.

                www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?p=500264

                https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ighlight=Seiki
                Last edited by freakaftr8; 11-18-2014, 11:46 AM.
                Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                • johnboy1313
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 1959
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                  Unfortunately, I have nothing to add here. My thread is linked in the post above. I have the same, no 12V, no 24V, no backlights problem with the same PSU in a Seiki SE421TT. I was just about to pull the trigger on the kit but I don't want to throw away money. I will be watching this closely.

                  To the original poster. What were the part numbers of the two driver ICs and the two FETs included in the kit? I want to try to source them individually.
                  Last edited by johnboy1313; 11-18-2014, 02:22 PM.

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                  • freakaftr8
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 3743
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                    Hi johnboy I don't have the part numbers with me but none of the actual semi conductors that are replaced on the board are the physical part numbers from the old ones coming off the board there all parts that have been either substituted or the originals are no longer available the new part numbers I will get back to you tonight on as soon as I get home in a few hours. but before I do this there are two barrier diodes that are located on the top of the board near where the LED ouputs are make sure that both of these diodes test good and are not shorted.
                    Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                    • johnboy1313
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 1959
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                      Do you mean the two in the pic labeled DF1 and DF4? If so, no, they aren't shorted.
                      Attached Files

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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 40746
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                        That grey rectangular cap laying on its side next to the two min filter caps, can you read value and verify its capacitance?
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • freakaftr8
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 3743
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                          Ok that cap is a 223j so .022uf. It reads ok.

                          For johnboy the two mosfets are MDD1901 AK065CGG and the led controller ics are 13408y tl494c
                          Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                          • johnboy1313
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 1959
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                            Thank you.

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                            • budm
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 40746
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                              Hmm, I just look in my garage and see that I have this Seiki SE421TT that was dead and did not have time to look t it yet.
                              I just plug it in and it came on!
                              I will take it apart next week and take pictures and Voltage reading on the power supply board when I am off work next week.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              • freakaftr8
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 3743
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                                Ok that would be great Bud! Thanks. Also I'm curious to see if the 12 and 24 volt supplies come up if the LED strings are disconnected from the power supply I am possibly in just very slightly think I'm onto something. As in low resistance reading on one of the connectors which would prove what others have said on this forum about shorted LED strip wiring against the grounding frame of the LCD panel
                                Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                • budm
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Feb 2010
                                  • 40746
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                                  I hope it uses the same board as yours. I do not know why it is working right now, it is still on.
                                  I will do the details experiment next week with LED string removed to see what condition it will go into.
                                  that is what I heard too that the wire to the string of LED shorted out to the chassis, what you can do is to remove all the LED string connectors an take the reading between the chassis and the pin on the LED wire connector to see if it will show any resistance, it should show open circuit.
                                  Last edited by budm; 11-18-2014, 10:23 PM.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                  • budm
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                                    OK, the backlights just went off, it will flashes on for seconds and goes off, so it looks like after warm up it stops working. I have a feeling that it will be LED string problem.
                                    I see that the bottom left section of the screen is dark when it flashes on for seconds, so not all the LEDs are on, I did not see that problem when I first turn it on 1/2 hour ago.
                                    It looks like it has 4 LED strings, the two on the top edge and the one on the bottom right edge are on, but the bottom left edge is not on.
                                    Last edited by budm; 11-18-2014, 10:44 PM.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • freakaftr8
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Oct 2012
                                      • 3743
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                                      Interesting. Yes your set has the same ps.. All my led strings read open .You should remove that connector tthe the strips out on and get an ohms reading. That's one expensive power supply. High in demand.
                                      Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                      • freakaftr8
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Oct 2012
                                        • 3743
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: haier le42b1380 power supply issue

                                        Also probe all 4 voltage output on ps
                                        Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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