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    Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

    I found this site due to a google match of the PE0702 (V28A000962A1) power supply board on this post: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15787

    That board is common to the 46xv648u model of Toshiba TV and I'm seeing the same symptoms as described in the other thread. Unfortunately the problem with my board must be something different and further 'downstream' since the issues described there all check out OK on my board.
    I have plenty of electronics experience, but I'm used to having the luxury of schematics. I've searched plenty, but no schematics or service manuals are publicly available for this board.
    I recently fixed my sister's Toshiba TV which had a bad backlight inverter board, but for that I was able to find a service manual with troubleshooting flow charts, PCB diagrams, schematics, etc. Boy, was that helpful! But this time I'm running rather blind. I say 'rather' because some of the connectors between the power supply board and the main video board have the same reference designators and very similar pinouts and signal names as my sister's TV had. If the troubleshooting guide for my sister's TV is applicable, it points to the power supply board as bad and needing to be replaced.
    It is hard to say for sure, but I believe that the issue is related to the AC_DET signal - which I take to mean "AC power detection" - being low. It could be an active low signal, but for my sister's TV I believe that signal was high when the TV was plugged in.
    All of the pictures from the thread I referenced above match my board and all of the IC's described there match as well. My A6169 SMPS seems fine. The voltages between the points mentioned in posts #26 - #28 are all 120V on my board. My R850 is about 2 ohms (not Mohms) as it should be, and the relays (one 5V & the other 12V) seem OK. Other problems described there involve voltage regulators on the video board, but I think my TV is failing somewhere in between - I'm not even getting input voltage to those regulators.
    Replacement power supply boards have been difficult to find - everyone's out of stock - and the few I have found want ~$200 for them. I don't want to spend that kind of money unless I'm sure it will fix the problem. I don't have much history of what happened to this TV, just that it 'stopped working', so I'm concerned that the root cause could be further downstream and even if I fix the power supply, it may toast again due to something else being bad.
    Of course I've tried all the simple things - all the fuses I can find measure good, none of the caps look like they're bad, no components have fried or popped, and none of the IC's get hot (most of them probably aren't powered at all). The only sign of life when I plug in the power is the 5V relay clicks on after a short delay. As expected, it clicks off after a short delay when the set is unplugged, too.
    Any suggestions on how to narrow down the culprit or what to check/try next would be appreciated.

    #2
    Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

    Bump.
    Anyone with suggestions for me? Board level replacements (with actual stock) are nearly impossible to find for this unit.

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      #3
      Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

      Does the board look like this? The AC Det is done by the optoisolator, there are 5 of them, the LED side of the opto will be in the HOT side of the board, so more likely the LED in the opto will turn on so the phototransistor inside will detect the AC present. You can look up the spec of the opto then start looking at the receiving side and see if it toggles when the AC power is applied. Without diagram, it will be real tough to work on this board since it has so many voltage detection circuits which I believe it has..
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        #4
        Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

        Thanks for the reply.
        There's no link or picture in your post (at least not that I can see), so I'm not sure what you mean by "Does the board look like this?" It does look just like the board in the pictures of the post referenced by a link on the first line in my initial post of this thread.
        Yes, I'm familiar with opto-isolators and have looked at that somewhat, but I'm not positive whether the AC_DET signal is active High or Low. There's no change in the output of the opto when AC is turned on/off. If I remember correctly, the HOT side of the opto does go to 120VAC, but both pins go active (and in sync as viewed on an oscilloscope), when AC is applied. Consequently, there's no voltage drop across the opto's input. I suspect the problem is in that general area, but am not familiar with this type of power supply circuit, so I'm not sure where to go from here.

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          #5
          Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

          The link is supposed to be from shopjimmy.com
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            #6
            Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

            Sorry, the shopjimmy.com link didn't show up. It just so happens that's the place which bought out the shop (DiscountTVParts.com) from which I got the replacement inverter board to fix my sister's TV. I got a few marketing emails from the new shop, but nothing recently.
            I just went to their site and searched for "PE0702" and got two matches. Both look like the right power supply board, but both are out of stock - like so many other places I've tried. At least their prices are much more reasonable than most I've found, and they seem to always have some coupon deal running.

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              #7
              Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

              I just went to shopjimmy and type in Toshiba 46xv648u
              http://www.shopjimmy.com/toshiba-750...upply-unit.htm
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                #8
                Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

                Yep, the same thing - out of stock.

                Does anyone happen to have the schematics for the PE0702 or PE0702A power supply board? That would help so much in trying to figure out where the fault is.

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                  #9
                  Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

                  Bump.
                  Anyone with PE0702 schematics or a close relative to that power supply board?

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                    #10
                    Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

                    Have you found anything on this power board I am having the same problems and toshiba cant seem to figure out what they are doing anymore, I have been searching for a week no with no luck please anyone that can help Thanks

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                      #11
                      Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

                      You've got a defective resistor at R851.

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                        #12
                        Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

                        Where can I buy a new power Supply for 46xv648u in Canada[Montreal]?
                        Or maybe in US from a company who Delivers here.
                        Thanks

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                          #13
                          Re: Toshiba 46xv648u no power at all

                          Check this thread. https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44052

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