Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

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  • rimwall
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    Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

    Hi, hoping for some views on this one which I've not come across before. The TV generates an image that has 12 noticeable bands across it. The image is still there and accurate, but the colour (or perhaps the brightness) changes gradually across each band which creates a noticeable 'step change' at the edge of each band. Given it's a 4K TV with 2160 rows of pixels, I'm guessing the 12 bands correspond to 12 gate drivers of 180 rows each. If this guess is right, then perhaps:
    a) all the gate drivers are malfunctioning the same way (which seems unlikely), or
    b) the Tcon board is malfunctioning, or
    c) something else

    My guess is b), do folks agree? I'm not sure what Tcon malfunction would cause this effect. Maybe not enough power to the gate drivers so the image fades out as it works down the rows?? Which makes me wonder whether if the power board could be the culprit instead...?

    The other thing that might be relevant is that moving images suffer from some degree of retention. So that prior images seem to remain faintly in the background for a little while. Does this imply a problem with the clearing voltage from the Tcon? 15,000 hours on the panel (see service pic) seems a lot but what I read says it should last 40,000+ hours

    I've also attached the TV's Service page. It doesn't seem to suffer from the banding, which is curious. It shows some recent errors associated with the TV tuner, but I doubt if that is related to the image issue, which is the problem I want to fix. There are also some very old errors (2015, 2017, 2020) which can most likely be ignored.
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  • EazyBone
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    Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

    Do you have it open? Try disconnecting one of the panel ribbon cables one at a time, plug in and see if the lines go away after doing each one. If you get 1/4 or 1/2 screen picture with out those lines then the panel could be suspect.

    I personally would not see this as a power board issue, but I'm a bit new to TV repair.

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    • rimwall
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      Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

      Here are the pics with each ribbon cable removed (only 1 disconnected at a time). Picture order is top right cable removed, top left removed, bottom left removed, bottom right removed. The banding is visible in pics 1,2; maybe not visible in pic3,4. The image retention is visible in pic3.

      Any help greatly appreciated!
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      • nomoresonys
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        Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

        Not sure but I would try a replacement tcon if it didn't cost too much, some good videos for tcon testing on youtube.

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        • Davi.p
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          Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

          TOP and BOTTOM?? never seen a tcon with both sides connected... photograph the rear of tv..

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          • nomoresonys
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            Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

            Maybe inspect the cable pins and make sure they are clean and none are damaged.

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            • lotas
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              #7
              Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

              Originally posted by Davi.p
              TOP and BOTTOM?? never seen a tcon with both sides connected... photograph the rear of tv..
              Like this...
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              • Davi.p
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                Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                Damn.. how odd!... Is there any testpoint to photograph on tcon? For me it's bad tcon.. but wait..
                Last edited by Davi.p; 10-25-2023, 06:15 AM.

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                • rimwall
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                  Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                  Yep, those pics are identical to the TV and Tcon board.

                  It's an LCD.

                  A second hand tcon is about $50 including postage (a big factor in getting boards to Oz). I was just wondering if folks could say for sure that bands for each gate driver meant a bad tcon…

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                  • Davi.p
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                    Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                    I asked for a picture with testpoints.. i see nothing until now.. are you searching a wizard casually?
                    post also the marking of the 2 square chips to the left, the pmic..
                    Last edited by Davi.p; 10-25-2023, 07:12 AM.

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                    • rimwall
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                      Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                      Thanks for helping, Here's a pic of the Tcon, and what could be test points. What tests did you have in mind? I have an AC/DC digital multimeter.

                      Also a pic of one the two square ICs. Hard to read, but maybe it says ‘TPS, 65162, TI 43K, AXIE G4'.
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                      • lotas
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                        Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                        Wash the entire board with a soft brush in a soapy solution, dry it with a hairdryer, clean all contacts on all cables with isopropyl alcohol, then reassemble and check everything.
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                        • Davi.p
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                          Check in ohm or replace every condenser on the Sup & Avin pins of TPS ic
                          this tcon design appears almost rubbish, few powerful for a very big tv..
                          Last edited by Davi.p; 10-25-2023, 03:50 PM.

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                          • rimwall
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                            Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                            Hi, thanks for the suggestions. I cleaned the whole board, connectors and ribbon cable ends with isopropyl alcohol, but the image is the same. I don’t have the equipment to solder these tiny components, so I think I will roll the dice and try another Tcon board. Fingers crossed…!

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                            • rimwall
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                              Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                              Whoa! Did a bit more fiddling today. Turned it on, same problem with the bands. But service screen didn’t have bands. Figured it *must* be the Tcon. Turned it off. Reconnected all 4 ribbon cables just in case. Turned it on. Seemed a bit darker. Odd. Turned it off. Redid all 4 cables. Turned it on. Tcon board now emitting a faint buzz, and the picture is fine! Buzz is coming from the end of the board near the TPS ICs.

                              So, definitely not the panel, yay! Now I’m wondering… is it the Tcon or the ribbon connection? Is a faint buzz from a Tcon normal? It’s loud enough to hear 1m away from the *front* of the TV (zero TV volume in a totally quiet room).

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                              • Davi.p
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                                Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                                try ohm meter test on each pin of ribbons..

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                                • rimwall
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                                  Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                                  Ok, would that test be:
                                  - disconnect ribbon from tcon
                                  - touch ohmmeter leads to adjacent pins on end of ribbon cable
                                  - adjacent pins should not be electrically connected

                                  Or some other test?

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                                  • Davi.p
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                                    Re: Sony KD-65x8500b - bad Tcon or panel?

                                    My first thought was that there was not enough current to feed entirely all the gate drivers but the supply faded along the path, this can happen also if there are poor connections, gate drivers does not draw so much current, then if the ribbons are completely detachable you test each trace from input to output pins, not for short circuits, you have to test also each pin of the connectors with ribbons in place, and compare ohm results to find higher ohms, maybe more than less of 1 ohm (before it measure the tester probes short circuit value)

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