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  • Drack
    Yup it's me
    • Nov 2016
    • 297
    • Venezuela

    #1

    My pc100 does not start

    Hi guys it me, again... My PSU don't want to start, it has 5vsb, I already took the mov out and changed the fuse because both blew out, I think the 3.3v rectifier (cep603al) is dead because I can read 90 ohms of resistance between orange and ground, when I took out the rectifier, the short went out
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    Last edited by Drack; 12-30-2016, 02:49 PM.
  • stj
    Great Sage 齊天大聖
    • Dec 2009
    • 31015
    • Albion

    #2
    Re: My pc100 does not start

    if it blew the fuse, it probably has shorted primary transistors.

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    • Drack
      Yup it's me
      • Nov 2016
      • 297
      • Venezuela

      #3
      Re: My pc100 does not start

      No, they are not, but i measured the primary cap and only 160v DC are coming

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      • Drack
        Yup it's me
        • Nov 2016
        • 297
        • Venezuela

        #4
        Re: My pc100 does not start

        There is 5vsb and when I turn the PSU on, it would shut itself off after half a second

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        • stj
          Great Sage 齊天大聖
          • Dec 2009
          • 31015
          • Albion

          #5
          Re: My pc100 does not start

          the optoisolator looks like it had a flashover at the end facing the metal shield!

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          • PeteS in CA
            Badcaps Legend
            • Aug 2005
            • 3580
            • USA, Unsure of Planet

            #6
            Re: My pc100 does not start

            That 90 ohms from +3.3V to ground might be a 91 ohm (or 90.9 ohm) preload resistor. That's a flyback (probably discontinuous) design, and such designs often need some preload. The dissipated power would be about 1/8W, so a 1/4 watt resistor would be easily adequate.
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            • Drack
              Yup it's me
              • Nov 2016
              • 297
              • Venezuela

              #7
              Re: My pc100 does not start

              It's a plastic sheet stj, the camera makes it look metallic
              Last edited by Drack; 12-30-2016, 06:13 PM.

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              • CapLeaker
                Leaking Member
                • Dec 2014
                • 8146
                • Canada

                #8
                Re: My pc100 does not start

                sounds like the PWM is dead and a major event has happened. As stj already said, that usually goes with something blown up in the primary. However since you have 160V on the main filter cap, the FET should be o.k. What is printed on the PWM?
                Last edited by CapLeaker; 12-30-2016, 07:18 PM.

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                • Drack
                  Yup it's me
                  • Nov 2016
                  • 297
                  • Venezuela

                  #9
                  Re: My pc100 does not start

                  It is a kia339p I have a aZ339p and utc339 on the shelf
                  Last edited by Drack; 12-30-2016, 07:27 PM.

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                  • CapLeaker
                    Leaking Member
                    • Dec 2014
                    • 8146
                    • Canada

                    #10
                    Re: My pc100 does not start

                    that's a voltage comperator, not a PWM. I am looking for the smaller IC with 8 legs next to the large main filter cap.

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                    • Drack
                      Yup it's me
                      • Nov 2016
                      • 297
                      • Venezuela

                      #11
                      Re: My pc100 does not start

                      Pete, when I took the rectifier out the resistance went up to 3200ohm I think

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                      • Drack
                        Yup it's me
                        • Nov 2016
                        • 297
                        • Venezuela

                        #12
                        Re: My pc100 does not start

                        It says uc3142p

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                        • CapLeaker
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                          • Dec 2014
                          • 8146
                          • Canada

                          #13
                          Re: My pc100 does not start

                          maybe a UC3842? See if the PWM has proper Vcc (pin 7)

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                          • Drack
                            Yup it's me
                            • Nov 2016
                            • 297
                            • Venezuela

                            #14
                            Re: My pc100 does not start

                            It has its 8 pins(weird) this PSU is at 25 bucks on eBay lol

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                            • CapLeaker
                              Leaking Member
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 8146
                              • Canada

                              #15
                              Re: My pc100 does not start

                              anyway... see if the PWM gets proper Vcc voltage on pin 7. If not, it may either be in under voltage lockout, or the dropping resistor feeding it went high in value. Other than that, you can try changing it out, or buy for 25 bux another one from flea-bay.

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                              • Drack
                                Yup it's me
                                • Nov 2016
                                • 297
                                • Venezuela

                                #16
                                Re: My pc100 does not start

                                I already have another PSU lol, and 25 bucks is what you won on 3 months over here on average I will check tomorrow its almost 23:00 over here, thanks for the help
                                Last edited by Drack; 12-30-2016, 08:41 PM.

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                                • Drack
                                  Yup it's me
                                  • Nov 2016
                                  • 297
                                  • Venezuela

                                  #17
                                  Re: My pc100 does not start

                                  ¡Happy new year guys!

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                                  • Agent24
                                    I see dead caps
                                    • Oct 2007
                                    • 4953
                                    • New Zealand

                                    #18
                                    Re: My pc100 does not start

                                    Fuse might have blown because of a bad MOV, or maybe the MOV blew from a voltage spike and blew the fuse. A spike may have damaged something else too.
                                    But not sure where the MOV is you speak of, I only see two Y-Capacitors and neither looks bad.

                                    Switching transistor might have shorted but then burned out and gone open-circuit afterwards. There doesn't need to be a heck of a lot (if any) outward signs of this on the component body either (although there usually is)

                                    That 8-Pin PWM controller does look like it has a hole in it.
                                    Last edited by Agent24; 01-01-2017, 07:36 PM.
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                                    • sam_sam_sam
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Jul 2011
                                      • 6039
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: My pc100 does not start

                                      Originally posted by Agent24

                                      That 8-Pin PWM controller does look like it has a hole in it.
                                      It sure does look like that IC-chip has a hole in it
                                      It needs to be replaced

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                                      • CapLeaker
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                                        • Dec 2014
                                        • 8146
                                        • Canada

                                        #20
                                        Re: My pc100 does not start

                                        I can't tell on that pic if it has a hole or not, but I am sure as heck that the PWM is dead for one reason or the other. Either it isn't getting any Vcc or it's dead.
                                        Last edited by CapLeaker; 01-02-2017, 11:51 AM.

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