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    Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

    Originally purchased this working from Farnell from clearance for low price. Bought this to experiment with some high voltage Tesla coil stuff. Also, I have a problem with collecting test equipment.

    Got it home and found it was popping fuses. Took it back to the shop, they tried a new fuse and it popped again. So they refunded me and let me keep the broken unit...so lets now figure out what's gone wrong here.

    It's a switchmode supply with an adjustable output voltage. The supply works like a normal PC ATX supply, it appears to use a two-switch half bridge (capacitor coupled) converter with a transformer gate driver. The pre-converter supply generates an output voltage some volts above the desired output with ripple and noise. A pass transistor then regulates the output (removing ripple and improving transient performance) and provides current limiting functionality.

    All four bridge diodes test OK. The two main switching transistors are dead short, as expected. NTCs and caps test OK. The capacitors appear to be a mix of Chemicon, Rubycon and some odd Chinese brand with a Rubycon vent, though the Rubycon caps all look a little off, so they could be fakes.

    There's a standby/aux supply which powers the logic and displays. The fan operates off a separate tap on the main supply - I guess the idea is as the output voltage goes up the fan speed goes up too. Neat way of doing that, I guess. But this will mean the fan won't operate until the supply reaches something like 100V (assuming it starts spinning around 5V), which is already a pretty decent amount of internal power dissipation. I don't know why they don't just run it off the aux supply...it would be easy enough to add temperature control too.

    The anemic input filter is surprising for a piece of test equipment, and the caps across the input are not X-caps, nor do they have the required discharge resistors. There is no way this thing would ever pass CE / LVD!!

    Since the supply is designed to withstand a dead short at maximum output voltage, the pass transistor needs to be rated for the maximum output voltage across its drain and source with a 1 amp current limit. This means it has to dissipate a peak power of over 300 watts. I have a great deal of doubt that the transistor can manage that! Especially given that at 1 amp, the output capacitor will take at least 100ms to discharge. So, the transistor will have to dissipate >150W for 100ms. Ha. It won't survive many short circuits doing that.

    All main input and output wires are soldered directly onto the PCB - these guys have not heard of using connectors for this stuff. There's a 115/230V switch at the back, but that's at the correct setting. The 600V transistors would likely survive if the supply were set to the wrong voltage, but the main caps would probably pop since they're only 250V a piece.

    The RRP for this is £500+VAT - I would feel very ripped off if I'd bought this full price!
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    Last edited by tom66; 05-23-2016, 11:28 AM.
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    #2
    Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

    I like the name digiMESS.
    How are you doing with you job any way? You like it?
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
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      #3
      Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

      Originally posted by budm View Post
      I like the name digiMESS.
      How are you doing with you job any way? You like it?
      Haha, it's a typical Chinese name, and the design is a bit of a mess inside so...

      I do like working at my job. It's part time though, I still go to uni. I work from home, so I can work whenever I need the income, and relax on the other days. Perfect.
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        #4
        Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

        Got new parts in. Turned it on and the displays worked...but not for long. I increased the voltage beyond a few volts and it went bang again. I tested a few more things and found the output diode is shorted...this thing has no current limiting on the primary side(!) so a shorted output diode kills the switching transistors.

        First round: Two MOSFETs and a fuse.

        Didn't have my bulb tester at the time so couldn't power it up slowly.

        Will now try replacing diode and FETs.
        Last edited by tom66; 05-24-2016, 09:17 AM.
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          #5
          Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

          Originally posted by budm View Post
          I like the name digiMESS.

          Me too.
          Must be a sub-division / company of PowMax

          By the way, what is that "thing" in the middle of this picture??!?
          https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...0&d=1464014985
          I can see the transistors attached to a heatsink. But the stuff on top and especially that wire soldered to them and then merrily going through the board?

          Originally posted by tom66 View Post
          The RRP for this is £500+VAT - I would feel very ripped off if I'd bought this full price!
          Lol 500 Quid is insane for that hunk of junk.

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            #6
            Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

            Originally posted by momaka View Post
            By the way, what is that "thing" in the middle of this picture??!?
            https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...0&d=1464014985
            I can see the transistors attached to a heatsink. But the stuff on top and especially that wire soldered to them and then merrily going through the board?
            Uh...yeah...about that. At the time I thought it might be a temperature sensor for the output diodes, but at only 1 amp that seems somewhat unnecessary. Didn't look too closely.

            Later determined it to be a second set of diodes bodged on top - MUR460 devices. They feed the large inductor, which is also connected to the transformer. The diodes are covered in thermal gloop in a vain attempt to thermally couple them to the heatsink.

            It seems to be some kind of very strange full-bridge rectifier... I'll draw out a schematic later.
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              #7
              Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

              Success! Powered it up with my bulb tester this time instead of blowing it up again, but no need, after replacing that diode and two MOSFETs the supply works.

              Seems like the full 1 amp isn't available at 300V, will have to look into whether it has some kind of power limit, hm. Or something else is amiss. Max I've got is 135W into a 240V light bulb.

              Was able to get max output voltage to 310V, will look at modifications to see if 350-400V is possible. All output caps are 400V rated.

              Repair cost was about £15 all in...not bad really.
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                #8
                Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                Hi Tom, what kind of lamp socket used in UK and EURO, Edison type like the US?
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  #9
                  Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                  Originally posted by budm View Post
                  Hi Tom, what kind of lamp socket used in UK and EURO, Edison type like the US?
                  It's different in Europe, in the UK we use Bayonet fittings. But for the lamp test I just soldered wires to the bulb because the bulb holder I had was broken.
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                    #10
                    Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                    Digimess Concept
                    What a mess that it ever left the concept stage!
                    "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                      #11
                      Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                      Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                      Later determined it to be a second set of diodes bodged on top - MUR460 devices. They feed the large inductor, which is also connected to the transformer. The diodes are covered in thermal gloop in a vain attempt to thermally couple them to the heatsink.

                      Oh wait, I forgot it's a digiMESS... never mind what I was going to say.

                      Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                      It's different in Europe, in the UK we use Bayonet fittings.
                      Lol, you Brits always gotta have everything your own way .

                      Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                      Success!
                      ...
                      Seems like the full 1 amp isn't available at 300V
                      ...
                      Repair cost was about £15 all in...not bad really.
                      Nice, glad to hear you got it working!
                      Indeed not bad for the price you paid in parts.

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                        #12
                        Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                        Originally posted by momaka View Post
                        Lol, you Brits always gotta have everything your own way
                        we have many ways

                        bayonet cap, 27mm ES, mini-bayonet, 14mm ES.

                        my lamp tester is one of these.
                        Last edited by stj; 05-27-2016, 11:40 PM.

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                          #13
                          Re: Digimess HY30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                          Originally posted by stj View Post
                          we have many ways
                          That's what I mean! - Never conforming to a single common standard

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                            #14
                            Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                            atleast we know which bathroom to use!!

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                              #15
                              Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                              Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                              The capacitors appear to be a mix of Chemicon, Rubycon and some odd Chinese brand with a Rubycon vent, though the Rubycon caps all look a little off, so they could be fakes.
                              From what I can see in the pictures, the "Rubycon" caps are branded Rukycon. I've seen them before. The Chemi-Con caps are almost certainly fake, although they're at least the right color. The fake ones I've seen were always black, no matter what series they claimed to be. It's kind of strange to see one Lelon cap. That might be the best cap in the whole power supply.

                              It looks about average for a cheap bench power supply. It definitely isn't worth £500.

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                                #16
                                Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                                My Tenma 72-10495 (Korad 3005D-2S rebadge) had six fake Rubycon USP series units (rated at 105ºC, whereas genuine units of this series are actually rated at 85ºC), so I yanked them out and replaced them with better quality units.
                                My first choice in quality Japanese electrolytics is Nippon Chemi-Con, which has been in business since 1931... the quality of electronics is dependent on the quality of the electrolytics.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                                  I pulled the bulk mains caps which are rated at 1000uF 200V a piece while replacing the transistors on the heatsink. To little surprise they test considerably below rating at 850uF each, so they are probably 820uF caps.

                                  I haven't had the guts to check ripple under load yet. I'm waiting for a faulty load unit to show up (rather than building a resistor array.) I might end up building one, but 300V is quite a high voltage rating for such a design. Connectors and MOSFET choices get tricky.
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                                    Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                                    I might end up building one, but 300V is quite a high voltage rating for such a design. Connectors and MOSFET choices get tricky.
                                    Why would the connectors be a problem? At 1 Amp (actually, not even that with this bench PSU ), I imagine the drop should be small enough not to matter.

                                    Originally posted by lti View Post
                                    It's kind of strange to see one Lelon cap. That might be the best cap in the whole power supply.
                                    That is sad. And would be even more sad if it's a fake Lelon.

                                    Originally posted by stj View Post
                                    atleast we know which bathroom to use!!
                                    Good one!

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                                      Originally posted by momaka View Post
                                      Why would the connectors be a problem? At 1 Amp (actually, not even that with this bench PSU ), I imagine the drop should be small enough not to matter.
                                      The problem is a high voltage high current design. If I were to design an electronic load I'd want it to have a high input voltage and high input current capability (obviously, not simultaneously, but connectors need be rated for both options.) And then connector choices are more tricky.

                                      This is something I may end up developing soon, will depend on what turns up in the clearance section of my favourite store.
                                      Last edited by tom66; 05-29-2016, 10:54 AM.
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Digimess HV30001 repair - 300V 1A bench DC power supply

                                        JST-VL series connectors.
                                        20A 600v
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