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  • Atomdesign
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 19
    • The Netherlands

    #1

    HP 550 schematic

    Hi all. This is my first post here. I won't bother you with my history as far as laptop repairs are concerned, but I want to mention that I have some basic electronics knowledge and just learned how to somewhat understand laptop motherboard schematics.

    The specific issue I wanted to ask about here concerns an HP 550:

    The issue is that the laptop has no backlight. Its not an obvious fix, I've made sure that both LCD and inverter are working properly.
    I found that the problem is on the motherboard.
    I'm in the fortunate situation to have three identical motherboards. One with a functional backlight, the other with a defective backlight and the third with serious moisture damage. I can use that last one to scavenge components.

    Now, I started off by comparing voltages on the LVDSB connector on the motherboard with functioning backlight to those on the defective one.
    I found that one of the pins had a 3.3V on the functional motherbaord, but 0V on the defective one. Using my lab power supply I applied 3.3V to the pin on the defective mobo and got the screen to light up. Bingo.
    The problem is, I want to actually fix the issue and I can't for the life of me figure out which component went bad. It may be a schematic issue, but I can't find a more appropriate one.

    Here's the schematic I'm using:


    The component names match up to what is on the motherboard itself. That is to say - they mostly do. This schematic is for a HP 540, but I tried hard to find one for a 550 and I just can't. To make things more interesting, sometimes I see this same schematic listed as applying also for the HP 550.

    Using the HP 540 schematic I see that the pin with the missing voltage is pin number 9 on connector CN17. This is shown on page 30.
    Looking at where pin 9 goes, it should lead to a Q61. Now that's the issue. There is no Q61 on the motherboard. Trust me, I didn't do a half assed check to find this thing. I looked over the entire motherboard for well over an hour as I was convinced it had to be there. It isn't. I searched for the resistors connected in series with Q61 (R9613 and R9614) but those were nowhere to be found either.
    I did find U28, but its fourth leg is connected to R15, not R9613 like the schematic shows.
    Do I really have the wrong schematic? So many other parts match up perfectly.

    Additional info: The motherboard has the following printed on it:
    6050A2216301-MB-A02
    DYnamic KM-VO
    E25540094V-O

    If I do have the wrong schematic and can't get one, then how should I approach this? I tried checking for continuity between Pin 9 and a stupid amount of nearby and far away components and I couldn't get anything anywhere. I suppose I could find a spot where 3.3V is available and solder a jumper wire to pin 9, but I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a hack job and am uncertain it would work as a long term solution. Besides, it might put too much strain on other components and would keep the lid switch non functional.
    I'm all open for ideas!
  • ala_borbe
    aka Donald
    • Apr 2011
    • 1625
    • Malta

    #2
    Re: HP 550 schematic

    one of those should help
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    • Atomdesign
      Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 19
      • The Netherlands

      #3
      Re: HP 550 schematic

      Thanks for the schematics, but sadly none of the three corresponds to my motherboard.

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      • ala_borbe
        aka Donald
        • Apr 2011
        • 1625
        • Malta

        #4
        Re: HP 550 schematic

        try this
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        • Atomdesign
          Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 19
          • The Netherlands

          #5
          Re: HP 550 schematic

          Originally posted by ala_borbe
          try this
          The top one of those two is quite close, but its the same one I linked in my original post. Q61 is simply not present on either of the HP550 boards I have.

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          • Dimitrios
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2013
            • 127
            • Greece

            #6
            Re: HP 550 schematic

            Hello there AtomDesign! I have the exact same issue and want really to get to the bottom of this! I have also replaced inverter, cables and compatible screen with no avail. Still the same. Picture is on but no sign at all of backlight! I have measured input pins of inverter and can see one pin that has 3.3V and 2 pins that have 19V. Can you tell me your voltages in more detail to be able to compare? Thank you and I will try my best to fix it and help!

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            • Dimitrios
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2013
              • 127
              • Greece

              #7
              Re: HP 550 schematic

              An update! I too confirm that the problem lies on pin9 CN17 but cannot find the path. I also find U28 but voltages are not the same as the schemtic. I think in this part it is somewhat wrong! Have a look on my findings!

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              • Francisco.s
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Jan 2013
                • 686
                • Spain

                #8
                Re: HP 550 schematic

                If you can measure +5S at pin 2 of mosfet pmv65xp, and cero volts at pin 1, you should also have 5 volts at pin 3, otherwise this mosfet (q61) could be already damaged.

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                • Dimitrios
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 127
                  • Greece

                  #9
                  Re: HP 550 schematic

                  The problem is that I cannot find Q61 no matter how hard I tried. I think the schematics are wrong and without them I am not able to trace pin9 on CN17 that has not backlight on signal. I am thinking to reflow Northbridge since it has also the gpu part inside it!

                  The thread should also be renamed as: HP 550 Backlight off problem...
                  Last edited by Dimitrios; 12-02-2013, 04:48 AM.

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                  • whaldsz
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 395
                    • Philippines

                    #10
                    Re: HP 550 schematic

                    Originally posted by Dimitrios
                    An update! I too confirm that the problem lies on pin9 CN17 but cannot find the path. I also find U28 but voltages are not the same as the schemtic. I think in this part it is somewhat wrong! Have a look on my findings!
                    Looks like you reading is off. You got 3.3v at pin3? Or you mean pin 3 is 0v and pin 5 is 3.3 which according to your schematic is connected to +V5S?

                    You can trace where LCM_BKLTEN is coming from and find out why it is giving you 5v. If the output of the NAND gate is 5v at pin 4 of U28, Q61 will turn on and gives 5v at its pin 3.

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                    • Dimitrios
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 127
                      • Greece

                      #11
                      Re: HP 550 schematic

                      Thanks for answer. The reading is correct and taken when laptop was in power ON. My guide was the official pinout that I embedded below of the chip. The thing is that there is nowhere to be found the rest of the components to try and test them. the LCM_BACKLTEN is coming from Northbridge which also has integrated the GPU. The schematics are wrong in this part (it is from HP 540) but nonetheless the chip should have Ground on pin 3 because of its design. The best thing I can do since I can't find Q61 is a reflow of southbridge and hope that the fault was coming from there...

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                      • Francisco.s
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 686
                        • Spain

                        #12
                        Re: HP 550 schematic

                        The best thing I can do since I can't find Q61 is a reflow of southbridge and hope that the fault was coming from there...
                        In following link you can see some pictures and some information.
                        I think it will help you.
                        http://www.elvikom.pl/forum/viewtopi...984&view=print

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                        • Dimitrios
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 127
                          • Greece

                          #13
                          Re: HP 550 schematic

                          Thanks for link. They have the same problem though not to be able to find the rest components like Q61. They also suggest that the problem lies on Southbridge like I suspect so I am going ro attempt a proffesional reflow as I have the proper equipment to be done right!
                          Last edited by Dimitrios; 12-03-2013, 04:36 AM.

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                          • Francisco.s
                            Badcaps Veteran
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 686
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                            #14
                            Re: HP 550 schematic

                            not to be able to find the rest components like Q61.
                            One of the diagrams, Q61 is not mounted, and output from U28 is connected directly to CN17.

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                            • Dimitrios
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 127
                              • Greece

                              #15
                              Re: HP 550 schematic

                              Did the readings again and are still the same. Even when power off the readings are the same. Two 5V and one 3.3V, one Ground and one 0V maybe the output but on different pins. Both diagrams are the same for U28. Maybe this is faulty??

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                              • Dimitrios
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2013
                                • 127
                                • Greece

                                #16
                                Re: HP 550 schematic

                                UPDATE:
                                The schematics are wrong because I found that U28 does a completely different job. I traced the resistors around and can confirm that it is a part of battery charging circuit on page 5 of 48 of the file HP Compaq 540 – 6520s – 6720s schematics (Inventec DDD UMA).pdf as is already uploaded on the 4th post.
                                This is a pic of circuit:


                                and the specific diagramm that corresponds to it:


                                You that the voltages are now correct so there is a problem in Northbridge!

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                                • dj_ricoh
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jan 2013
                                  • 2073
                                  • uk

                                  #17
                                  Re: HP 550 schematic

                                  What program do you use to make those markings
                                  Just cook it! It's already broken.

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                                  • Dimitrios
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Nov 2013
                                    • 127
                                    • Greece

                                    #18
                                    Re: HP 550 schematic

                                    With SnagIt, one of the best screen capturing software!

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                                    • Francisco.s
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Jan 2013
                                      • 686
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                                      #19
                                      Re: HP 550 schematic

                                      Originally posted by Dimitrios
                                      Did the readings again and are still the same. Even when power off the readings are the same. Two 5V and one 3.3V, one Ground and one 0V maybe the output but on different pins. Both diagrams are the same for U28. Maybe this is faulty??
                                      This diagram is the one I am referencing to.
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                                      • Dimitrios
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Nov 2013
                                        • 127
                                        • Greece

                                        #20
                                        Re: HP 550 schematic

                                        Yes I know but it does not corresponds to HP 550 motherboard. R9669 is NOT linked with U28 after checking thoroughly with multimeter. U28 is the U6 in diagrams after excessive examination and path tracing with multimeter. Notice that U28 is located in an exact near position between D2 and R15, R45 and C503 like the diagram. Also the voltages are confirmed with my diagram and final conclusion is that U28 is the U6 on diagram. This relation corresponds only to HP 550 motherboard and HP 540 diagram which is the closest but not the same.
                                        Last edited by Dimitrios; 12-03-2013, 02:34 PM.

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