lightning hit PC now dead

[EGuevarae]

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.... Because humans who learned 100+ years old science do not ...

Do you copy & paste, or that is part of your signature and by some mistake it posts in between your philosophical theories?

[Toasty]

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Possibly, or perhaps their mothers shared a preference in controlled substances while they carried.
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[Per Hansson]

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I guess my understanding of the English language is not adequate because I just can't understand what point westom is trying to pass on

First it's about the small plug in protector and how they do not protect from lightning (I do agree on this, that is not to say they are useless, I've seen such things be destroyed by lightning but the connected equipment just fine after the plug-in protector was replaced)
Plus if you live in an apartment it might not be possible to go any other route anyway (like I do, which is why I do use plug in protectors for my TV and computer, better than nothing I figure)

And of course if there is a lightning rod the equipment will be fine IF the lightning rod takes the hit
But what if the lightning decides the nearby oak tree is a more proper conductor to hearth since it might be raining and the oak tree is wet so it has a lower potential to ground than the lightning rod?

Also please try to inform me how all this theoretical discussion helps the original poster?

[EGuevarae]

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Also please try to inform me how all this theoretical discussion helps the original poster?

That's my whole point here ....

[westom]

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First it's about the small plug in protector and how they do not protect from lightning (I do agree on this, that is not to say they are useless, I've seen such things be destroyed by lightning but the connected equipment just fine after the plug-in protector was replaced)
Plus if you live in an apartment it might not be possible to go any other route anyway

The scam is obvious. Grossly undersize a protector. A surge too small to harm any appliance routinely destroys a protector. Then the easily scammed consumer says, "but the connected equipment just fine after the plug-in protector was replaced".

Connected equipment contains superior protection. Appliance protected itself. The grossly undersized protector failed to - successfully - promote a scam. It is a $3 power strip with some ten cent protector parts selling for $25 or $150. Increase the price. Then the most naive among us will call it a "quality protector". Scamming is that easy.

Any protector that fails does no protection. What does a scam protector do? Disconnects its MOVs as fast as possible. Disconnect from tiny and otherwise non-destructive surges ASAP. If it does not disconnect, then these scary pictures may happen:
http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol entitled "Surge Protector Fires"
http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/
http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/les...tectorfire.htm
http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339

Scary pictures when a plug-in protector does not disconnect fast enough. Absorbs too much energy. But again, where does energy dissipate?

Effective protectors earth all surges - even direct lightning strikes - and remain functional. No exceptions. But scams (profit centers) are grossly undersized to fail. Failure gets the most naive to believe myths. Effective protectors remain functional after each surge. Then nobody even knows a surge existed.

Only those who blindly believe theory (propaganda) - who have no real world experience - would waste money on a plug-in protector.

Surge protection is always about where energy dissipates. How do hundreds of joules inside a plug-in protector absorb surges that are hundreds of thousands of joules? Why, Per Hansson, do you not even answer that question? My experience. Those who avoid such questions and refuse to post those numeric specs are people my father so loved to brainwash. He bragged how so many people only believe the first thing they are told. Their eyes would glaze over when numbers defined reality. Will even insult to avoid admitting they were so easily scammed. A surge too tiny to cause damage easily damaged an ineffective and high profit protector.

Everyone - even renters - have numerous options. For example, informed landlords are more than happy to install a 'whole house' protector bought by the tenant. To also protect the landlord's appliances. Electric companies install a 'whole house' protector behind the meter. Only those entrenched in myths could deny a so many options. But then my father so loved manipulating people who would deny rather than learn. Because they will do anything to avoid admitting reality.

Lightning rods do not protect appliances. Obviously. Lightning rods protect buildings. A lightning strike to AC wires down the street is a direct lightning strike to all household appliances. Why am I repeating what has been posted and ignored so many times? My father explained it. So many people will automatically believe the first thing they are ordered to believe. Then deny anything that proves they were scammed. Only 'officer material' also demands facts and numbers. Only thinkers ignore the majority who make subjective claims and post mockery - who do not even know the numbers.

Hardly anything posted involves theory. Those who learned reality earth a 'whole house' protector. Others manipulated by outright lies, myths, and theory (also called propaganda) are told a protector that fails does protection.

Protector disconnected as fast as possible. Protection routine inside every appliance protected the appliance. But those most easily scammed ignore the obvious. Blindly believe propaganda. The protector failed. Left a surge connected to the appliance. Appliance protected itself from a surge so small as to only damage the protector.

Only theory is that myth about protection from a plug-in protector. Even the manufacturer does not make those claims. Hard facts: where surge damage cannot happen, a 'whole house' protector is earthed. No money is wasted on plug-in protectors. 100 years of well proven, hard facts that must be denied by so many trained in theory – not numbers - retail advertising.

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Protection is always - always - about where energy dissipates. For your beliefs to be valid, every post must also define where energy dissiaptes.

[PCBONEZ]

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As I said before.
- Surge protectors are NOT for lightening.
Gee, that dismisses everything you said in one sentence.
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[Per Hansson]

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Interesting that you avoided all the points I brought up, I said I myself live in an apartment, I can not install a ground rod, so it is therefore my belief that the surge protector will do more good than harm
Any connected equipment to the grid can catch fire aswell during a lightning strike, the fact that the surge protectors are what caught fire in your linked pictures is exactly because they are not designed to support that large of a surge, that does not mean that the computer that would be directly connected to the grid where it not for the surge protector would not also be blown to little bits and perhaps catch fire, of course it would

Next I gave you again my example, the company I help which was hit by lightning in an Oak tree on their property, it destroyed allot of their equipment
Infact pretty much everything electrical they had, like Plasma TV, Fridge, Ovens etc, everything was toasted...
What DID survive the lightning storm was a Zyxel ADSL modem, and the half dozen or so Linksys WRT54GS routers
The ADSL modem and primary WRT54GS where connected by a Swedish branded surge protector that cost $5
It was blown to bits, but the ADSL modem and Linksys was fine
The path the lightning had taken here was from AC powerlines into Telephone lines, which is very common in my own experience, and is why ADSL modems are so many times killed catastrophically when they have no protection (Blown to bits, catches fire, and similar end results)
Both the ADSL modem and Linksys where fine after the surge protector was replaced

My last question was how this helps the original thread starter, funny that is, 3 out of 3 questions missed...

[smason]

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Learn why 911 Operators remove headsets and leave the room everytime a thunderstorm approaches.

Why leave the room? The phone company disconnected them as the storm approached anyway.

[PCBONEZ]

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Why leave the room? The phone company disconnected them as the storm approached anyway.

Well, the phones are down anyway.
Might as well go outside and watch the lightening.

[westom]

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Interesting that you avoided all the points I brought up, I said I myself live in an apartment, I can not install a ground rod, so it is therefore my belief that the surge protector will do more good than harm

Why be so difficult? Have the electric company install their 'whole house' protector. Effective protection only for anyone who would learn.

[EGuevarae]

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Why be so difficult? Have the electric company install their 'whole house' protector. Effective protection only for anyone who would learn.

You forgot the 100 years of knowledge. ....

[Toasty]

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>>electric company install their 'whole house' protector<<

Was wondering when that would come up...

The electric company here had them about 10 years ago. A plastic collar-looking-device that was mounted behind the meter with 2 green indicator lights. Made the meter stick out about 2" more. You paid a small rental fee of a couple bucks a month and they guaranteed all your major appliances and electronics would be safe from surges.

The program went dead in little over a year and they started pulling them about 2 years later. Turns out it cost them so much money in claims, the program went broke. No way to determine whether the surge came from them or lightning, so they had to pay for every one of them. They pulled mine after 3 years, and hadn't charged me for it in 2.

[Per Hansson]

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Why be so difficult? Have the electric company install their 'whole house' protector. Effective protection only for anyone who would learn.

Uhh because it's an apartement and I'm not allowed to change anything in it's design obviously?
If I do I will need to change it back to how it was when I want to move
Anyway, I'm out of this thread

[PCBONEZ]

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See, Smack Baby thinks a tenant can have the power company modify the landlord's building.
- - - No experience in the real world at all....

[EGuevarae]

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Uhh because it's an apartement and I'm not allowed to change anything in it's design obviously?
If I do I will need to change it back to how it was when I want to move
Anyway, I'm out of this thread

Why do you leave,Per Hansson? I grant that this should be in the "Fiction" section of the forums,but you will miss A HUNDRED YEARS OF PROVEN KNOWLEDGE if you leave...

[EGuevarae]

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- - - No experience in the real world at all....

[westom]

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Uhh because it's an apartement and I'm not allowed to change anything in it's design obviously?

The electric company changes a subscriber interface any time they want. Your landlord has zero to say about it. You rent a protector from the electric company. A girl who reads the meter spends two minutes to install it. It is that simple ... if you want to learn.

Quickly identify those most easily manipulated. Once brainwashed, they will say anything to avoid reality - the "woe is me" defeatism.. Or they will post nasty insults without any facts or numbers. Those others disparage when they do not have (or demonstrate knowledge from) a high school degree.

Apartment dwellars have numerous effective options. But every option is subverted when an apartment dwellar is brainwashed by defeatism. The defeated deserve appliance damage and protector failures / fires. Another example of why surge damage is directly traceable to human failure.

[EGuevarae]

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The electric company changes a subscriber interface any time they want. Your landlord has zero to say about it. You rent a protector from the electric company. A girl who reads the meter spends two minutes to install it. It is that simple ... if you want to learn.

Quickly identify those most easily manipulated. Once brainwashed, they will say anything to avoid reality - the "woe is me" defeatism.. Or they will post nasty insults without any facts or numbers. Those others disparage when they do not have (or demonstrate knowledge from) a high school degree.

Apartment dwellars have numerous effective options. But every option is subverted when an apartment dwellar is brainwashed by defeatism. The defeated deserve appliance damage and protector failures / fires. Another example of why surge damage is directly traceable to human failure.

You forgot the 100 years of knowledge again. What's wrong with you?

[PCBONEZ]

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The electric company changes a subscriber interface any time they want. Your landlord has zero to say about it. You rent a protector from the electric company. A girl who reads the meter spends two minutes to install it. It is that simple ... if you want to learn.

Quickly identify those most easily manipulated. Once brainwashed, they will say anything to avoid reality - the "woe is me" defeatism.. Or they will post nasty insults without any facts or numbers. Those others disparage when they do not have (or demonstrate knowledge from) a high school degree.

Apartment dwellars have numerous effective options. But every option is subverted when an apartment dwellar is brainwashed by defeatism. The defeated deserve appliance damage and protector failures / fires. Another example of why surge damage is directly traceable to human failure.

Okay, so -NOW- you are saying surge protectors work.
- Certainly not going to install a lightening rod in "two minutes".
- And if you did it wouldn't run through the meter..

[seanc]

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Did the original poster ever fix his PC, or not?