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  • hardwareguy
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Jun 2006
    • 405
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    #1

    1980s stereo repair time!

    I have six bits of stereo stuff on the bench...all with varying degrees of problems.

    Pioneer SX3700 receiver, circa 1981. This is a transitional receiver. It has an analog tuner with a "quartz lock" mechanism that will fine tune the stations for you. It has a fluorescent power meter and frequency display in addition to the analog dial. Works fine except for poor reception on FM frequencies lower than 102MHz and a scratchy volume knob. Needs an alignment and a shot of tuner cleaner.

    Technics SA370S all in one stereo thingy, again, from 1981
    Numerous issues. Blown output stage repaired, has intermittent readouts on the dB meter and the shortwave/AM section is silent. Tape deck still works though. Got lucky getting the needed STK module.

    Technics SA-404. Blown STK 8040 modules....rails on the output, protection circuit was fortunately not out to lunch and the speakers were saved. Using the more robust 8050 module for repairs. This is another transitional unit from the early 80s. It has a fully digital tuner but a funny meter on the front panel that has been calibrated to the AM/FM dial.

    Pioneer SA something from 1981:
    This cool 60W or so amp is dead. The fluorescent meter lights up but no click of life comes from the relay. I picked it up from a repair shop that went under and got bought out and turned into a comic book shop. Got it and a dead Onkyo amp for the amazing price of $5.

    Its a cool looking amp...the usual silver faced with FL meters; just the way I like em! It will be a perfect companion to my SX3700 "Fluoroscan" receiver in the shop.

    The repair shop did the expensive part for me! It has a new set of output and driver transistors! All the solid state stuff seems fine but one burnt resistor was left by the shop.

    This resistor feeds the +24V supply that feeds the relay and the protection circuit among other things. Im gonna have to get crafty to figure out what it was without a schematic.

    I know or can measure the following:
    The voltage on the main PSU VCC rail
    The power dissipation capability of the burned resistor (1/4W)
    and I know the voltage that the circuit wants due to the relay saying 24V.

    Time to get cracking with Ohm's Law. Precision probably isn't paramount here. As long as I don't put too much voltage to the circuit it should be fine. 2-3V off and it should still work.

    Technics SU-V5
    This is a sweet amp. 60W/ch at an amazing 0.0005% THD. Amazing cosmetics and those awesome VFD meters I like so much. Its not the prettiest thing they ever made (that would be the nearly unobtainable SU-8099) but it sure is nice....when it works. 29 years have not been kind to the electrolytics in the signal path. Turning the volume WAY up will cause the sound to suddenly come back to life for anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 days. The volume pot itself is not scratchy.

    Technics SU-V3
    This is the little bro to the V5 above. Less preamp features (doesnt have MC/MM option in the phono amp) and 40W instead of 60W but the rest is still there. It powers up but there is no sound from the relay. I suspect a shorted output transistor or a bad electrolytic cap in the protection circuit.

    Well time to get crackin! Pics coming later!
  • weirdlookinguy
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    • Sep 2007
    • 1638

    #2
    Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

    Awesome stuff hardwareguy! Here's a Technics piece I would do bad, bad things for:



    Technics SA-TX30

    I love my h/k 3490 receiver but.... there ain't nothing like an old school Technics!

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    • stj
      Great Sage 齊天大聖
      • Dec 2009
      • 31015
      • Albion

      #3
      Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

      ever seen the aiwa adf990 ?

      http://www.vintagecassette.com/Aiwa/AD-F990

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      • linuxguru
        Badcaps Legend
        • Apr 2005
        • 1564

        #4
        Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

        Eat your heart out, Weirdlookingguy - I have an SA-TX50 in mint condition, big brother of the SA-TX30 shown in the link you posted. I use it only occasionally, preferring the sound of my baby SU-Z11 instead:

        http://exyusat.com/uploads/post-7793-1185977491.jpg

        Mine is all brushed-aluminium, but otherwise identical to the one shown.
        Last edited by linuxguru; 01-05-2010, 09:57 AM. Reason: fix html

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        • i4004
          Badcaps Legend
          • Oct 2006
          • 2029

          #5
          Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

          >there ain't nothing like an old school Technics!

          that's not really old school, that's mid (or even end) 90s.
          it's essentially new technology with VU meters...

          i think my su-v300 is older than that, and it's fairly new too...
          though it's constantly on for about 15 years now...

          70s..that's old...

          it's a pitty technics doesn't exist anymore...at least not in its old form.

          my brohter bought used su-z11 long time ago...thinking about it now, i should of restore it...but at the time i didn't really have a way to get replacement trimmer for volume control...
          i wonder is that thing still somehwere around his house...hm...

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          • hardwareguy
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Jun 2006
            • 405
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            #6
            Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

            I have an SA-DA10....built in 2001, its the last of the great Technics receivers. 100W/ch, 0.09% THD from 20-20K and get this...a 113dB S/N ratio!

            3dB of dynamic headroom too.
            Needless to say, the transformer and caps are BIG. 4 10,000uF caps inside, and two rails. Its a Class H amplifier.

            All this work got put on hold...got a call to restore a GE mini console hifi from 1965. New tubes are on the way, all the electrolytics in the set have been changed as have all the ceramic caps in the amp. It needed a full rewire, most of the insulation was turning to goo.

            I rerouted some of the cables and introduced a few other sound engineering practices to further reduce hum...its one of the quietest AC heater filament tube amps Ive ever heard now. (if the new 12AX7 tube has a spiral filament, it will get even quieter)

            It sounds pretty good with modern speakers. It uses 7189 tubes...rare and expensive uprated EL84s basically. The inside looks funny with modern caps on a veroboard where a big multi-section cap used to sit. I added an RFI filter so it could better cope with being plugged into a circuit with CFL bulbs on it and even an extra input for an ipod...complete with a power cord for charging it in the record storage drawer. A switch selects between the tape input and the ipod lead.

            Now to fix the tuner which has a drifting alignment issue only on FM. I suspect a cold solder joint in the front end somewhere. Playing with a tube in the front end changes the stations...or makes them go away entirely except for two stations which blend to become one unintelligible mess.

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            • Krankshaft
              Badcaps Legend
              • Jan 2007
              • 2328
              • USA

              #7
              Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

              I was never aware of a Class H. Only A, AB, C and D.
              Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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              • washu
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Jul 2009
                • 310

                #8
                Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                Class H is a class AB with a variable power supply. Basically the power supply output changes to match demand, making it more efficient than straight AB.

                Class G is similar, but only has a few set steps for the power supply output. Class H is continuously variable.

                Both theoretically have worse THD then straight AB, but in modern amps the THD is already so low no one would ever notice.

                Edit: Typo

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                • weirdlookinguy
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 1638

                  #9
                  Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                  I salute all owners of Technics amps. The only Technics gear I have is my turntable... had a pretty decent receiver a few months back but I couldn't get it working right and broke down and bought something new.

                  Linuxguru, if ever the day comes when you feel like getting rid of that SA-TX50...

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                  • linuxguru
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 1564

                    #10
                    Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                    Lol - I'm keeping the SA-TX50 for the time being.

                    You may want to look for some of the baby Technics units - they're often low-power 2x30W or 2x40W units, but sound very sweet. Apart from the SU-Z11, there's a microcomponent stack consisting of the SE-C01, SU-C01 and ST-C01 that's almost a work of industrial art, apart from sounding pretty good.

                    http://www.thevintageknob.org/TECHNICS/C01/C01.html

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                    • hardwareguy
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                      • Jun 2006
                      • 405
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                      #11
                      Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                      That's why I want an SU-8099! All the industrial art of the C01 but in a bigger amp!

                      Its rare....its *very* expensive, but I want one.

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                      • Junk Parts
                        Court Jester
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 8953
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                        Have my busted Old Pioneer SX 550 up in my attic along with a working monster Kenwood from the same period. Brother is still using his SX 1250 reciever connected to HPM or Kenwood speakers. His are ones with what I call "Church Grills." The grill cloth is covered in fancy wood work. He also has a nice Pioneer Turn Table that never gets used for some reason.
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                        • Eagle2a
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 35

                          #13
                          Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                          Originally posted by stj
                          ever seen the aiwa adf990 ?

                          http://www.vintagecassette.com/Aiwa/AD-F990
                          I almost bought that. Instead I ended up getting its little brother, the AD-F770 which was a GREAT cassette deck, easily the best I've ever had. Unfortunately it quit working several years ago, and apparently the repairs (new drive belts and rubber components) are extremely difficult and labor-intensive. So much so in fact, that my stereo repair guy declined to even work on it b/c of all the time and work required. :/

                          As a former (?) audiophile, this thread is right up my alley since all of my equipment is late 80's vintage. In fact my username is my amplifier.. which coincidentally I had recapped several years ago (before I found this website and forum). It was an absolute BEAR trying to find suitable replacement power supply filtering caps for it.. a long story.
                          Last edited by Eagle2a; 01-18-2010, 09:07 PM.

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                          • stj
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                            • Dec 2009
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                            • Albion

                            #14
                            Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                            caps for amps are easy to find if you know what your looking for - dont be afraid to re-drill pcb's or replace can-clamps with smaller ones though.

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                            • Eagle2a
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                              • Aug 2009
                              • 35

                              #15
                              Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                              Not these capacitors. They're 80000uF 50V, about the size of a soda can. I searched every major (and minor) vendor and manufacturer I could find via Google. Finally I happened to see them listed on a spec sheet by Cornell Dubilier, contacted the product manager, and purchased them directly from the manufacturer. I got the last 2 capacitors they had, which was fortunate since that was the number I needed.

                              There's also a long fascinating story about the designer and builder of my amplifier, John Iverson. Basically he disappeared off the face of the Earth like Jimmy Hoffa and they're still looking for him.

                              Just curious stj, how do you know about the AD-F990 cassette deck? Do you own one?
                              Last edited by Eagle2a; 01-19-2010, 10:32 AM.

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                              • stj
                                Great Sage 齊天大聖
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 31015
                                • Albion

                                #16
                                Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                                i did - once.
                                i liked the way it analysed the tape and set the bias instead of just having a "normal/chrome/metal" switch.

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                                • Eagle2a
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                                  • Aug 2009
                                  • 35

                                  #17
                                  Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                                  Ah. My AD-F770 did that too. It was a great feature among many others, and the sound quality was superb for a cassette deck. I did some more searches on repair info and I may give it a try myself sometime. Actually just about all of my equipment needs some sort of work b/c of its age. :/

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                                  • whisperer
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                                    • Jan 2010
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                                    #18
                                    Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                                    I'm rather fond of my Crown IC150A and my Hafler DH200.....

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                                    • smeezekitty
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                                      • Aug 2009
                                      • 32

                                      #19
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                                      Now to fix the tuner which has a drifting alignment issue only on FM. I suspect a cold solder joint in the front end somewhere. Playing with a tube in the front end changes the stations...or makes them go away entirely except for two stations which blend to become one unintelligible mess.
                                      Actually it may be just FM drift as old radios had it bad.

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                                      • hardwareguy
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                                        • Jun 2006
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                                        #20
                                        Re: 1980s stereo repair time!

                                        Originally posted by smeezekitty
                                        Actually it may be just FM drift as old radios had it bad.
                                        This is much worse than typical FM drift. I lose the ability to tune in the lowest and highest frequencies entirely. Attempting to re-tune stations in the middle of the dial yields minimal improvement to the sound quality and it never comes in stereo until the unit is cooled for at least an hour and a half.

                                        A prof at UT Arlington says the local oscillator is probably drifting badly. (he also says I NEED a schematic and he wishes me luck finding one!)

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