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  • pentium
    Badcaps Legend
    • Mar 2006
    • 2778
    • Canada

    #1

    There is something seriously wrong with my house.

    For the last six months I have been troubleshooting a whole bunch of anomalies in my house and I'm still unable to find out what they are.

    I first noticed it when I attempted to use an X10 controller in or living room back in 2003. Even though it worked fine elsewhere in the house, the controller would not operate in the living room. Troubleshooting involved unplugging everything in the living room except a lamp attached to the module and testing it on every outlet in the room. I even tried with the controller and the module in the same room and they still would not operate. Since the controller sends a signal through existing wiring it could only mean that the line was VERY noisy but I had no way to prove it as it was isolated to this circuit and there was nothing else plugged in.
    In the same room I also had an incident regarding the radio and an old VHS RCA camcorder. The camera was running off AC power at the time and the radio was on. By chance, when I was recording I looked at the radio and the radio suddenly switched off like somebody had unplugged it and when I turned the camera away again the radio came back on (however the clock and the station presets had reset). This one blew my mind and I do not have the slightest clue what would of caused this.
    The third is limited to the kitchen outlets, the living room outlets and an outlet at the local old folks home.
    I have an In Focus LP425 projector and it seems that it has outlet preferences that don't make sense.
    If I plug the projector into the outlet closest to the stairs in the living room or into any outlets in the kitchen the projector will turn on but the bulb will never light. On th other hand, if I used it on the other two outlets in the living room it will work fine every other odd time even if it is the only thing plugged in. The same thing happened when I tried to use at at the local Old folks home. It turned on but the known good bulb never lit.
    The same goes for an IR extender that allows me to control the satellite receiver downstairs. According to the signal activity LED on the transmitter downstairs the receiver upstairs in the living room is constantly sending an IR signal and whatever it is that is causing that, it is jamming the remote control.
    One of the other things in my house that annoys us is that all types of radio reception is terrible. Unless the radio is tied into the massive antenna I have out on the deck, good luck getting any FM reception. Cell coverage is also notably bad in the house, You can lose one to two bard as soon as you are inside. I also notice that when walking around with the cordless phone you will sometimes walk into walls of interference that move around the house. It is really creepy and scares the hell out of me.
    Finally, Our phone has a nasty issue where when you answer a call you will hear the ringing tone one or two more times before it stops. In the past we had issues with corrosion up on the pole but that should not be the problem this time.
    I seriously do not understand what could be wrong. I individually tested each circuit for noisy items but I can not find anything. One thing to note however is that the outside walls of the house are coated in stucco which is held to the house using large 1" x 1" steel screen-like chicken wire but for stucco. I don't think it would be causing any problems.
    Since this also was happening before I got my SGI's or anything that was not certified for home use we can also rule my electronics out.
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  • Bookworm
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 123

    #2
    Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

    If they used chicken wire to hold the stucco into place, and it's basically seamless, you now have a house that's basically a Faraday cage.

    What kind of roof do you have? Is the insulation aluminized?

    Have you tried switching off breakers, then testing behavior patterns? What brand are the breakers? If they're STAB-LOK, those have some known issues (for older ones).

    Telephone - have you checked for corrosion inside the bell box? You can also get that behavior if you have a tiny short in the line somewhere. You _might_ be able to see if it if you disconnect at the bell box outside, unplug all the telephones, and then check for continuity between the center pairs, then against the outside pairs, and the two sides. (Six checks, I think). pins two and three, then one and four. Then one and two, three and four, four and two, one and three.

    Have you used a _good_ digital multimeter and checked the polarity and ground at each outlet?

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    • pentium
      Badcaps Legend
      • Mar 2006
      • 2778
      • Canada

      #3
      Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

      Originally posted by Bookworm
      If they used chicken wire to hold the stucco into place, and it's basically seamless, you now have a house that's basically a Faraday cage.

      What kind of roof do you have? Is the insulation aluminized?
      No it is just regular black shingles.

      Have you tried switching off breakers, then testing behavior patterns? What brand are the breakers? If they're STAB-LOK, those have some known issues (for older ones).
      Tried that already and still had the issues.

      Telephone - have you checked for corrosion inside the bell box? You can also get that behavior if you have a tiny short in the line somewhere. You _might_ be able to see if it if you disconnect at the bell box outside, unplug all the telephones, and then check for continuity between the center pairs, then against the outside pairs, and the two sides. (Six checks, I think). pins two and three, then one and four. Then one and two, three and four, four and two, one and three.
      Shorts have been ruled out so it appears that the switch is not realizing that we had picked the phone up and it should stop trying to ring.

      Have you used a _good_ digital multimeter and checked the polarity and ground at each outlet?
      I have a little adapter that tell me weather an outlet is wired properly, is wired in reverse or has an open lead. All outlets excluding an unused one in the car park were okay. The one in the car park was reversed.
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      • PCBONEZ
        Grumpy Old Fart
        • Aug 2005
        • 10661
        • USA

        #4
        Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

        I think it's because you keep throwing water in the toaster.
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        • zandrax
          Hit and miss
          • Dec 2007
          • 1157
          • Italy

          #5
          Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

          Bad radio and cell phone coverage may be due to the stucco wires, which acts as a farady cage, to steel bars in reinforced concrete parts (if your house has a concrete skeleton) or to destructive signal interference (signal strength varies a lot when you move in the room). Moreover some devices may spread electromagnetical noise: tv repeaters and microwaves ovens are famous for spreading in the 2.4 GHz range (which affects wi-fi and bluetooth devices, 3G phones, some old, non-DECT cordless too), while others have a very broad range (e.g. nokia phones' chargers or even Xbox 360 wireless gamepads ).

          2nd point: mains cabling in your house seems troublesome. How old is it? Wires are solid or stranded ones?
          In order to diagnose your trouble, if I were you I would start detaching from mains any electric device in your house (sorry, lamps and your SGIs are included) except the affected ones: I'd discover if and which device[s] is[are] the culprit[s] by trial and error.

          Zandrax
          Have an happy life.

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          • zandrax
            Hit and miss
            • Dec 2007
            • 1157
            • Italy

            #6
            Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

            Originally posted by PCBONEZ
            I think it's because you keep throwing water in the toaster.
            It's not water, but milk!

            Zandrax
            Have an happy life.

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            • pentium
              Badcaps Legend
              • Mar 2006
              • 2778
              • Canada

              #7
              Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

              Originally posted by zandrax
              Bad radio and cell phone coverage may be due to the stucco wires, which acts as a farady cage, to steel bars in reinforced concrete parts (if your house has a concrete skeleton) or to destructive signal interference (signal strength varies a lot when you move in the room). Moreover some devices may spread electromagnetical noise: tv repeaters and microwaves ovens are famous for spreading in the 2.4 GHz range (which affects wi-fi and bluetooth devices, 3G phones, some old, non-DECT cordless too), while others have a very broad range (e.g. nokia phones' chargers or even Xbox 360 wireless gamepads ).

              2nd point: mains cabling in your house seems troublesome. How old is it? Wires are solid or stranded ones?
              In order to diagnose your trouble, if I were you I would start detaching from mains any electric device in your house (sorry, lamps and your SGIs are included) except the affected ones: I'd discover if and which device[s] is[are] the culprit[s] by trial and error.

              Zandrax
              Local code states that all permanent wiring must be solid copper wire.
              The house itself is at least thirty years old but was made from low quality building materials (I never knew you could put so many knots in a 2 x 4).
              My equipment shows no leakage from the microwave *thank goodness)and the only problematic device found was an old tv. I also found my Macintosh II could knock out the radio in my parent's bedroom.
              Actually, I remember one last thing. In my bedroom should I be watching tv or listening to the radio, at random times you will get waves of interference that slowly take out the signal but then abruptly vanish.
              Find Nedry!


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              • dood
                Deputy dood
                • Mar 2004
                • 2462
                • USA

                #8
                Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                Sounds like you should start investigating the paranormal! those are all very odd problems... though I'd guess at the stucco mesh being part of the problem.
                Ludicrous gibs!

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                • pentium
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 2778
                  • Canada

                  #9
                  Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                  I have always had an uneasy feeling about this place.
                  As soon as I can get enough money to buy my own house I am getting the hell out of here.
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                  • zandrax
                    Hit and miss
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 1157
                    • Italy

                    #10
                    Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                    Originally posted by pentium
                    Local code states that all permanent wiring must be solid copper wire.
                    The house itself is at least thirty years old but was made from low quality building materials (I never knew you could put so many knots in a 2 x 4).
                    Same situation here: the house is a cheap flat built in 1972, mains cabes are solid ones and ground is present only in the kitchen and in the bathroom. The flat owner is a really stingy guy who avoids all maintentance he can: cables are so old and their skin isn't a flame retardant one, so I fear they could catch fire if I switch on the tv.
                    BTW, solid wire cables are a bad choice: multiple wires ones which supports the same current have a lower resistance, so voltages are more stable.

                    Originally posted by pentium
                    My equipment shows no leakage from the microwave *thank goodness)and the only problematic device found was an old tv. I also found my Macintosh II could knock out the radio in my parent's bedroom.
                    Actually, I remember one last thing. In my bedroom should I be watching tv or listening to the radio, at random times you will get waves of interference that slowly take out the signal but then abruptly vanish.
                    Why haven't you still called an exorcist? Old pcs muting radios, interference on tv, projectors which won't turn on unless plugged in the preferred outlet: I find it creepy. Brrrr

                    Zandrax
                    Have an happy life.

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                    • willawake
                      Super Modulator
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 8457
                      • Greece

                      #11
                      Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                      ah the 1970s......maybe when i do that new house installation i will finally work on something younger than me....the thing is that solid wiring is still good after years. i wonder sometimes though if the supposed secondary ground to the plumbing is in fact the primary
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                      • pentium
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 2778
                        • Canada

                        #12
                        Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                        When I meant solid cable I meant stuff like Romex.
                        Our house was built like crap. Maybe the house is exacting it's revenge?
                        Note the second last photo. According to code the deck should terminate at the wall of the house. In reality, the deck is built off very long pieces of wood that hold up the second floor. If the deck rots and it runs down the board and into the house we have to replace the whole thing.
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                        • hardwareguy
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                          • Jun 2006
                          • 405
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                          Zinsco breakers are just as bad if not worse than FPE. They were also sold under the Sylvania/GTE name.

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                          • pentium
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 2778
                            • Canada

                            #14
                            Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                            Our breakers are made by Square D.
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                            • willawake
                              Super Modulator
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 8457
                              • Greece

                              #15
                              Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                              wow look at the snow and trees its nice
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                              • zandrax
                                Hit and miss
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 1157
                                • Italy

                                #16
                                Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                                Originally posted by pentium
                                When I meant solid cable I meant stuff like Romex.
                                Solid wires are used only for small devices in which flexible cable are unreliable (e.g. ethernet cables) or impossible to manifacture, but mains cables are all flexible / stranded type nowadays.

                                Originally posted by willawake
                                i wonder sometimes though if the supposed secondary ground to the plumbing is in fact the primary
                                It is, you can bet on: make sure a qualified electrican checks if it's good enough.
                                At least your house has a ground: in mine a simple GFCI should suffice

                                Zandrax
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                                • kc8adu
                                  Super Moderator
                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 8832
                                  • U.S.A!

                                  #17
                                  Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                                  you could also have another curse.
                                  aluminum wire.
                                  70's-80's houses often had it and connection problems just get worse as it ages.
                                  common cause of fires.

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                                  • dood
                                    Deputy dood
                                    • Mar 2004
                                    • 2462
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                                    willa- my house has no earth ground! The meter base isn't grounded, except to the panel. Where's the panel grounded? Incoming water line!

                                    I only have 100amp service, too... that's going to be switched out in the spring, along with the appropriate grounding. This house was a wiring NIGHTMARE. For instance, here's what I found in the space above my kitchen-

                                    Ludicrous gibs!

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                                    • dood
                                      Deputy dood
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 2462
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                                      keep in mind that, for knob and tube wiring to be safe, it must be supported on it's knobs, with the hot and neutral away from each other to resist fire. See that pair of single wires that go right through a common wire staple on the left of the picture? I was amazed that they thought this was safe. The previous owners were complete boneheads, to be sure. Cheap bastards, too. The line to my washer was two pieces of Romex, spliced in the middle with nothing more than wire nuts holding it together. He was too cheap to buy enough wire to make the run complete without breaks, or even to at least put the junction in a box!

                                      Also, 99% of the three-prong, "grounded" outlets in this house, were not wired to ground! I have 75% of the house wiring replaced, and the rest will come this spring.
                                      Ludicrous gibs!

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                                      • pentium
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Mar 2006
                                        • 2778
                                        • Canada

                                        #20
                                        Re: There is something seriously wrong with my house.

                                        Originally posted by dood


                                        That is just plain unsafe!
                                        Also, Local codes required all aluminum wire to be removed and replaced with Copper fifteen years ago.
                                        If any houses in town still have the stuff, all you need is some dork to grow marijuana in his basement and that house will go up like a candle.
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