JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

[neuron]

Hi,

I use JBC for more than 20 years.

I need a JBC for SMD, Transistor, Mosfets, IC.
And ReCap Boards.

http://www.jbctools.com/2192040-14st...-8-menu-1.html

http://www.jbctools.com/9302320-kit-...-8-menu-1.html

http://www.jbctools.com/1402040-40st...-8-menu-1.html


30ST + stand + R-10D is a good choice?

I need the R-05D or R-10D tip for SMD, Transistors and big chips?

Thanks,

[neuron]

Re: JBC - Soldering and Desoldering Irons

Hi,

I need a JBC for SMD, Transistor, Mosfets, IC.
And ReCap Boards.

http://www.jbctools.com/2192040-14st...-8-menu-1.html

http://www.jbctools.com/9302320-kit-...-8-menu-1.html

http://www.jbctools.com/1402040-40st...-8-menu-1.html


30ST + stand + R-10D is a good choice?

I need the R-05D or R-10D tip for SMD, Transistors and big chips?

Thanks,

I can't change the msg ...


I need ReCap - Motherboards and SMD, Transistor, Mosfets , etc

Please gurus and experts :

A tip 1 mm or a 1,5 mm ... or other size?

Regards,
Neuron

[stj]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

for motherboards you need 4-5mm

[neuron]

Re: JBC - Soldering and Desoldering Irons

for motherboards you need 4-5mm

Thank you,

Please can you elaborate:

SMD

Mosfet

Caps - the prof. line use tiny holes

Regards,
Neuron

[clearchris]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

You want to use the largest tip you can, it really helps with heat transfer.

If you are doing a lot of smd work consider getting a cheap hot air station.

[neuron]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

You want to use the largest tip you can, it really helps with heat transfer.

If you are doing a lot of smd work consider getting a cheap hot air station.

Thank you for your msg.

But for small Caps and SMD I need 1, 1,5 mm.

Please what Hot A. Station ?
I prefer JBC ...

Regards

[diif]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

When doing SMD work, I've found a microscope far more important than the choice of iron.

[momaka]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

We had a JBC CD-B soldering station at the repair shop I used to work at several yeas ago. In particular, a slightly older model of this one:
http://www.jbctools.com/cd-b-the-sol...5-gama-10.html

We had several tips for it: regular conical, 4 mm bevel, and a 25 mm (or 30 mm) wide tip.
With these three tips, there was not anything I couldn't solder on unsolder. The conical worked great for medium-size SMD parts, the 4 mm bevel was amazing for removing and installing caps and MOSFETs on motherboards, and the wide tip we used for BGA cleaning after removing a large BGA IC (such as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 GPUs, which is what we worked on the most of the time).

If you are soldering very small SMD parts, I suggest to just get a regular cheap iron (30-40 Watts) with a regular conical tip. Make sure the tip is made of copper, though. What you want to do then is grind the tip so that it looks like a sharp chisel. In my experience, this works much better than anything else I've used (including hot air stations and the above JBC station with a fine conical tip). I have a cheap Radio Shack 30 Watt iron with the tip modified as described above (actually, the tip modified itself - that is, it wore out due to being copper). I have managed to solder even TSSOP ICs with that iron without bridging anything.

*edit*
Looks like JBC already has tips that look something like my modified tip above:
http://www.jbctools.com/c245965-mini...-5-menu-2.html
http://www.jbctools.com/c245931-mini...-5-menu-2.html
http://www.jbctools.com/c245938-cart...-5-menu-2.html
The nice thing about those "spoon"-like looking tips is that you can fill the spoon area with solder, then flip the tip over and use it to remove small SMD resistors and capacitors easily. The tip on my cheap RS iron is big enough that I can actually remove whole SOT-23 devices with it. Takes seconds vs. many minutes with hot air.

[neuron]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

We had a JBC CD-B soldering station at the repair shop I used to work at several yeas ago. In particular, a slightly older model of this one:
http://www.jbctools.com/cd-b-the-sol...5-gama-10.html

We had several tips for it: regular conical, 4 mm bevel, and a 25 mm (or 30 mm) wide tip.
With these three tips, there was not anything I couldn't solder on unsolder. The conical worked great for medium-size SMD parts, the 4 mm bevel was amazing for removing and installing caps and MOSFETs on motherboards, and the wide tip we used for BGA cleaning after removing a large BGA IC (such as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 GPUs, which is what we worked on the most of the time).

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The nice thing about those "spoon"-like looking tips is that you can fill the spoon area with solder, then flip the tip over and use it to remove small SMD resistors and capacitors easily. The tip on my cheap RS iron is big enough that I can actually remove whole SOT-23 devices with it. Takes seconds vs. many minutes with hot air.

Thank you momaka,
and what model remove a large BGA IC?
and any Flux?



Thank you diif,
and what model .. you use?

Regards,

[diif]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

Thank you diif,
and what model .. you use?

Regards,

I have an iron almost identical to this but 400c http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tenma-21-1...EAAOSweW5VKrVn

My microscope i bought second hand off ebay. It's a Kyowa. I view at either 5x or 10x

[momaka]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

Thank you momaka,
and what model remove a large BGA IC?
and any Flux?

We had a ACHI IR Pro SC (Chinese) rework station. Therefore, I am not sure what to suggest from JBC.

If I had to guess, you would probably need these three things:
A hot air station:
http://www.jbctools.com/jt-hot-air-s...-3-menu-2.html

A pre-heater:
http://www.jbctools.com/preheater-ca...13-menu-2.html

And a rework arm, if you don't want to make one youself:
http://www.jbctools.com/rework-arm-c...19-menu-2.html

But I think that is a very expensive way to go. And I don't know if the pre-heater and the hot-air station are going to be enough (in terms of heat output) to remove bigger chips, like on the Xbox 360 and PS3 CPU/GPU.

The Chinese stations like the ACHI IR Pro SC are more or less okay these days. But if you do get one, I still suggest you inspect all of the wiring inside and change anything that seems suspicious.

[neuron]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

We had a ACHI IR Pro SC (Chinese) rework station. Therefore, I am not sure what to suggest from JBC.

If I had to guess, you would probably need these three things:
A hot air station:
http://www.jbctools.com/jt-hot-air-s...-3-menu-2.html

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The Chinese stations like the ACHI IR Pro SC are more or less okay these days. But if you do get one, I still suggest you inspect all of the wiring inside and change anything that seems suspicious.

Thank you very much !!!!
Lots of info add to database


" ... all of the wiring inside and change anything that seems suspicious ..."
In that case I don't think is a good idea ... The product is new


Thank you diif

[m4a2t0t]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

We had a ACHI IR Pro SC (Chinese) rework station. Therefore, I am not sure what to suggest from JBC.

If I had to guess, you would probably need these three things:
A hot air station:
http://www.jbctools.com/jt-hot-air-s...-3-menu-2.html

A pre-heater:
http://www.jbctools.com/preheater-ca...13-menu-2.html

And a rework arm, if you don't want to make one youself:
http://www.jbctools.com/rework-arm-c...19-menu-2.html

But I think that is a very expensive way to go. And I don't know if the pre-heater and the hot-air station are going to be enough (in terms of heat output) to remove bigger chips, like on the Xbox 360 and PS3 CPU/GPU.

The Chinese stations like the ACHI IR Pro SC are more or less okay these days. But if you do get one, I still suggest you inspect all of the wiring inside and change anything that seems suspicious.

I have the same rework station. It is the biggest POS I have ever owned!! The thing can't heat a chip evenly to save its own life. I have replaced all the heat elements, even going to a high quality german heat elements. Had I known at the time these Chinese machines were such crap I would have saved more for a zephyrtronics machine. I also thought they would honor their warranty, ya right. After doing some troubleshooting and them not being able to fix it, they told me I would HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO A SERVICE CENTER ACROSS THE COUNTRY. Ya, let me just close down my business for the next 2 weeks while you try and fix this rework station that is not even a year old.

Most of the BGA chips you will see can be easily removed with a hot air rework station with the proper nozzle. You will have issues trying to remove a BGA like the PS3 RSX due to the internal heat spreader.

[momaka]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

I have the same rework station. It is the biggest POS I have ever owned!! The thing can't heat a chip evenly to save its own life. I have replaced all the heat elements, even going to a high quality german heat elements.

Yes, ours was an early version, and the wiring inside was truly a horrifying mess. All the connections were made with stranded wire, which was screwed right into the terminal blocks (the ends were not tinned at all!) Also, ALL of the switches were of the most garbage quality I've seen. The ones for the bottom heating elements were the worst, so we had problems with uneven bottom heating as well. The fix is to bypass/get rid of those switches on the side and wire the heating elements directly to the SSR outputs with thick, properly rated wire (I recommend at least 16 AWG.) Once you do all of that, the station isn't too bad. Fixed a lot of Xbox 360 boards on it.

I also thought they would honor their warranty, ya right. After doing some troubleshooting and them not being able to fix it, they told me I would HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO A SERVICE CENTER ACROSS THE COUNTRY. Ya, let me just close down my business for the next 2 weeks while you try and fix this rework station that is not even a year old.

Yeah, that's typical, unfortunately.
I only recommend these stations for those who have some working knowledge of electronics so that they can modify/repair their station right away while it is still new.

Most of the BGA chips you will see can be easily removed with a hot air rework station with the proper nozzle.

Or two heat guns, if you implement a way to control the heat output and air flow (which is fairly easy to do with light dimmers, provided they are rated high enough to handle the power rating.)

[diif]

Re: JBC - PENCIL LINE Soldering and Desoldering Irons

I think i got lucky with my BGA station, i did do some research before hand, but was prepared to upgrade and modify if necessary. I think its a Scotle clone, but it came with Elstein heaters. Although i wasn't aware when i ordered and i bought a genuine Elstein top heater at the same time from elsewhere. It was shipped from the UK so no wait or extra import charges to pay. It's only been used on laptops so far but there is plenty more bottom heat available for when i do some thicker boards.