Oh No! AMD adopts Intel's pinless design

[mockingbird]

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/19138

This should be of concern especially after reading this thread.

[Scenic]

Re: Oh No! AMD adopts Intel's pinless design

S775 was still OK and solid, but 1156 and 1366 (and 1155 for that matter).. ugh..

i thought about trying out AMD again the next time i upgrade because of those crappy new sockets.. seems like i'm fuxx0red now...
(since my current sys will be kept in use for at least another year. by then, AMD will most likely have adopted those crappy sockets to their desktop CPUs too.. damnit)

[stj]

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those intel shit, have you seen the rated contact life on them!
i had some data somewhere - the number of insertions is low 2digit!

not good if you swap cpu's around for upgrade/testing as much as i do!

[c_hegge]

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NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I hate Intel for having pins on the motherboard. Now AMD too

[kaniki]

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that is one thing that i hated.. the pins on the board. might make it easier for production, but personally, I feel better knowing that if i bend a pin, that it is on the processor, not on the board. Processor, you can straighten out and reuse, MB, if you dont get almost exactly straight, no connection and possibly have to toss the board..

just a bad idea all around.

[dood]

Re: Oh No! AMD adopts Intel's pinless design

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/19138

This should be of concern especially after reading this thread.

You do realise on the burnt up boards, that they were pushing HUGE overclocks, which likely just overloaded the socket in terms of pure power draw. The socket and pins were not designed to support 5+ ghz.

[toastygoodness]

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get a good quality board. it's always been that way. besides, amd started using LGA for their server boards a long time ago.

opterons are rock-stable, unless you go crazy OC, nothing will happen. everything else still uses socket S# and AM#.

[ratdude747]

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i have had no issues with 775... it was inevitable, it would be LGA are a slow cpu the size of a napkin. the reason intel went lga was to allow more pins (775 pins vs 478) without upping the size or maling pins so thin the would be even more fragile. the other reason was to make it morelikey that the board dies as opposed to the cpu, as a cpu costs far more than the board most of the time... which would you rather kill?

as long as you are't a fucktard with them (dont slap them in), then you should be fine.

[mattch]

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i have had no issues with 775... it was inevitable, it would be LGA are a slow cpu the size of a napkin. the reason intel went lga was to allow more pins (775 pins vs 478) without upping the size or maling pins so thin the would be even more fragile. the other reason was to make it morelikey that the board dies as opposed to the cpu, as a cpu costs far more than the board most of the time... which would you rather kill?

as long as you are't a fucktard with them (dont slap them in), then you should be fine.

to the point. I have never had any problems using LGA 775 and up. As a matter of fact i kind like it. I had so many CPUs come in with pins where boxes are dent resulting in a whole row of bent pins, sure its fixable but i dont like that.

Where as a MB the pins are more fragile but are more protected becasue of the surface area of the board and the cover on them.

the only issue i ever had was dropping something in the LGA socket bending a pin, couldnt get it straight had to replace it (no rma, physical damage).

i would sacrifice pins on cpu for speed anytime, just a little more caution and patients. I dont plan on letting the village 'fucktards' touch my systems or even look at them for that matter or anyone besides me as a matter of fact.

[kaniki]

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I have not had too much experience with them but wouldn't (or at least it seems like it would) there be a possibility of the pins loosing connection after a bit of time since they are just touching the processor? that is more where i don't like the idea. it seems that if you had to take a processor out of the socket too much, or even just the pressure over time (lets face it, they are made out of copper?? that they might slightly crush down and if you ever had to replace the processor that they might not make contact because of it? or am i wrong?

[Per Hansson]

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kaniki; you are quite right, the Intel spec says 20 insertions I believe for S775? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

That being said I also have had very few problems with LGA sockets (And I've been through quite a few now...)
There was an issue once I must mention, quite recently, was trying to overclock but could not reach speeds I knew this CPU+Mobo combo had done before...
I reseated the CPU and then it was all ok, this was abit unnerving since at stock it worked fine, only when I started pushing it did it not want to go as far...

[NxB]

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No problems with LGA style sockets. I did bend ONE before and bent it back. The PC still worked fine. I can't even count how many processor pins I've bent. They also tend to break when you straighten them out. If it makes the chips cheaper, I'm all for it.

[Uranium-235]

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we had a blind employee at work kill his own xfx board when he tried to put his chip in it (775). I got most of the pins re-bent but he actually shorted it out cause he bend them so much

it takes a delicate hand...BUTTERFINGERS!

[kaniki]

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i dont know.. i have had a quite a few processor bent pins in the past and cant ever remember one breaking on me. now they are not usually bent to 90 degrees, but were still bent.

as for making the CPU's cheaper.. if it is making then cheaper, it is not by much.. they are still pricey..

uranium.. i just have one question.. why did anyone let that guy anywhere near a computer to fix it???? and just out of curiosity, what exactly was he trying to do by putting his processor in it???

[stj]

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a pinless cpu would be cheaper to make & cheaper to package & ship because handling would be easier.

dont confuse cost to the manufacturer with what we get fucked-over for at the retail end.

[paul_h]

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Where are the savings to the consumer? AMD with CPU pins are still cheaper than intel right now.
So drops CPU manufacturing price, but no savings passed on, Increases mobo manufacturing price, increased cost passed on
lose/lose for the consumer.

I just bought a AM3 system, so won't be upgrading for 3-4 years from now, so I'm right in the mean time.

[mockingbird]

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Where are the savings to the consumer? AMD with CPU pins are still cheaper than intel right now.
So drops CPU manufacturing price, but no savings passed on, Increases mobo manufacturing price, increased cost passed on
lose/lose for the consumer.

I just bought a AM3 system, so won't be upgrading for 3-4 years from now, so I'm right in the mean time.

Come on... In 1998 I paid $120 for an Intel Celeron and the motherboard cost me about that too. With that kind of money today I can purchase far, far more power.

[NxB]

Re: Oh No! AMD adopts Intel's pinless design

in 95 a computer was like 2 or 3k. The pins that break are usually from transport/storage. Not from jamming in sockets.

[paul_h]

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Come on... In 1998 I paid $120 for an Intel Celeron and the motherboard cost me about that too. With that kind of money today I can purchase far, far more power.

I wasn't refering to the general price of components, but to current AMD vs Intel pricing. IE Intel are making them cheaper now, but still cost more than AMD. And if AMD went to a pinless design, they probably wouldn't reduce there price any, but we would have to pay more for mobos I expect.

[blowing_in_the_watts]

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intel motherboards cost way more than amd motherboards

intel cpu costs way more than amd cpu

for surfing the internet a defective x3 amd 720 works for me

compared to... either a dual or a quad I# with a $300 motherboard all uselessly tricked out

hell they dont even have a serial port for my programmer!!!

er i mean
PCI IS DEAD!!!

and um... NO IDE? NO FLOPPY???