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  • sofTest
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Aug 2008
    • 361

    #21
    Re: another watercooling disaster.

    Safe liquid cooling.
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    • PCBONEZ
      Grumpy Old Fart
      • Aug 2005
      • 10661
      • USA

      #22
      Re: another watercooling disaster.

      Originally posted by sofTest
      I was wondering when someone would come up with that gimmick to clean out idiot's wallets.
      [It's a radiator mounted in a tank of water. - Big fat hairy deal...]

      Back around '99-'00 they were charging $1000's for these cases with built in refer units in the bottom to cool those HOT HOT P3's.

      Then back in '97-'98-ish it was Peltier Coolers.
      [They even had them for those 486 infernos.]

      So tell me....
      If it's 'Total Submersion' ,,, then why do they need tubes.

      Incidentally. True natural circulation doesn't work very well with water as the fluid because water will stratify into different temperature layers and not mix. You need some form of agitation to prevent stratification.

      .
      Mann-Made Global Warming.
      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

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      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

      - Dr Seuss
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      • PCBONEZ
        Grumpy Old Fart
        • Aug 2005
        • 10661
        • USA

        #23
        Re: another watercooling disaster.

        Hey! - They still make 'em!
        http://www.trustedreviews.com/periph...ted-PC-Case/p1
        They got cheaper..... Want one?
        Mann-Made Global Warming.
        - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

        -
        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

        - Dr Seuss
        -
        You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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        • Wizard
          Badcaps Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 2296

          #24
          Re: another watercooling disaster.

          Hot P3?

          In all the time I worked on P3 based all the way from coolest 533 (15W socket type) to hottest PIII 1.13 and any Tualatin based CPUs, I had no issues with cooling even with retail heatsinks. What on earth what you having problem cooling these? It is all in the heatsink and how well PC's air flow is. Doesn't have to be hurricane-force wind.

          The hardest to cool was Athlon socket 462 and P4 prescott. But the basic rules of good heatsink and PC air flow still applies. Majority of these I used retail heatsinks for Intel CPU and for Athlon, I used copper bottom with alumium fins (compressed type) not the shrived or stamped fins. Heatpipe heatsinks are also good if it is quality design.

          Cheers, Wizard

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          • 370forlife
            Large Marge
            • Aug 2008
            • 3112
            • United States

            #25
            Re: another watercooling disaster.

            Originally posted by sofTest
            http://www.thedungeonlanparty.com/Pi...8/SANY0131.jpg

            Cheap way, fish tank with a motorhome trans cooler, the liquid is wire EDM fluid.

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            • kc8adu
              Super Moderator
              • Nov 2003
              • 8832
              • U.S.A!

              #26
              Re: another watercooling disaster.

              Originally posted by 370forlife
              http://www.thedungeonlanparty.com/Pi...8/SANY0131.jpg

              Cheap way, fish tank with a motorhome trans cooler, the liquid is wire EDM fluid.
              explains why my phone survived 3 dunks in the stuff.

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              • momaka
                master hoarder
                • May 2008
                • 12170
                • Bulgaria

                #27
                Re: another watercooling disaster.

                Originally posted by Wizard
                Hot P3?
                I think PCBonez was just kidding there .

                Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                Hey! - They still make 'em!
                http://www.trustedreviews.com/perip...ated-PC-Case/p1
                They got cheaper..... Want one?

                That's just a step before people will buy whole refrigerators/freezers for their computers.

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                • sofTest
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 361

                  #28
                  Re: another watercooling disaster.

                  Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                  I was wondering when someone would come up with that gimmick to clean out idiot's wallets.
                  [It's a radiator mounted in a tank of water. - Big fat hairy deal...]

                  Back around '99-'00 they were charging $1000's for these cases with built in refer units in the bottom to cool those HOT HOT P3's.

                  Then back in '97-'98-ish it was Peltier Coolers.
                  [They even had them for those 486 infernos.]

                  So tell me....
                  If it's 'Total Submersion' ,,, then why do they need tubes.

                  Incidentally. True natural circulation doesn't work very well with water as the fluid because water will stratify into different temperature layers and not mix. You need some form of agitation to prevent stratification.

                  .
                  No, everything except the HDs is submerged in the fluid. From the article in Norwegian I read about this, they thought the fluid to be some kind of perfluorocarbon, my be 3M fluorinert. That might explain some of the price on the rig, as it costs almost US$400 per litre. If true, and as it's used to cool Crays, it can't be all useless, if you got to much money to put in a rig.
                  Last edited by sofTest; 07-07-2009, 05:59 PM.
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                  • 370forlife
                    Large Marge
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3112
                    • United States

                    #29
                    Re: another watercooling disaster.

                    Originally posted by kc8adu
                    explains why my phone survived 3 dunks in the stuff.
                    Ya, we did that at our local lan party.

                    http://www.thedungeonlanparty.com/Pr...0Immersion.htm

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                    • PCBONEZ
                      Grumpy Old Fart
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10661
                      • USA

                      #30
                      Re: another watercooling disaster.

                      Originally posted by Wizard
                      Hot P3?
                      ~ Just making fun of the advertising from back then.
                      Mann-Made Global Warming.
                      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                      -
                      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                      - Dr Seuss
                      -
                      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                      -

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                      • nat0snake
                        New Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 4

                        #31
                        Re: another watercooling disaster.

                        This reminds me of the time I was building my PC last year. The sales person at Tiger Direct kept forcing it on me to buy the on sale watercooling DYI kit. I just kept telling him

                        Electronics + Water = good chance of BAD

                        I obviously did not buy it......

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                        • Wizard
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 2296

                          #32
                          Re: another watercooling disaster.

                          heh ok now I see what you mean about the mocking the P3. Heh!

                          Cheers, Wizard

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                          • PCBONEZ
                            Grumpy Old Fart
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 10661
                            • USA

                            #33
                            Re: another watercooling disaster.

                            I think it's a hoot that they still push this stuff.
                            CPU heat/watts peaked at about 800FSB P4 Prescott / Socket 604 Xeon in the 120-160 watt range [both of which could be cooled well enough with a decent air cooled setup] and then heat dissipation dumped to like 40-65 watt range with the Core Architecture.
                            -
                            People have the fast = hotter idea locked into their brain and since Netburst based CPU's went away it simply isn't true anymore.
                            -
                            There are dual core Xeons that only use 35-40 watts and most common C2D are around 65 watts.

                            Cooling chips like those is a breeze [pardon the pun] and you just don't need anything fancy or exotic.

                            .
                            Mann-Made Global Warming.
                            - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                            -
                            Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                            - Dr Seuss
                            -
                            You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                            -

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                            • Krankshaft
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 2328
                              • USA

                              #34
                              Re: another watercooling disaster.

                              If I had to make these water cooling systems leakproof (or as close as humanly possible).

                              I'd use copper tubing with soldered joints. All metal and none of that plastic crap through and through. I say solder because compression fittings suck and leak easily if not installed properly.

                              You could flare the tubing as a close second to soldering.
                              Last edited by Krankshaft; 07-16-2009, 09:17 PM.
                              Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                              • ratdude747
                                Black Sheep
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 17136
                                • USA

                                #35
                                Re: another watercooling disaster.

                                what if you used plastic and silicone sealant?
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                                (Insert witty quote here)

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                                • Phaihn
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Jan 2009
                                  • 842
                                  • Canada

                                  #36
                                  Re: another watercooling disaster.

                                  Originally posted by momaka
                                  I think PCBonez was just kidding there .



                                  That's just a step before people will buy whole refrigerators/freezers for their computers.
                                  I've considered that.
                                  My Computer.
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                                  • pfrcom
                                    Oldbie
                                    • Jun 2006
                                    • 1230
                                    • Australia

                                    #37
                                    Re: another watercooling disaster.

                                    That's just a step before people will buy whole refrigerators/freezers for their computers
                                    Already done with blade servers in data centres - rack looks like a refrigerator for servers with all the cooling coils & stuff in it

                                    Knurr CoolTherm Server Rack
                                    better to keep quiet and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

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