Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

[iwilltomsi]

sure the chips are now slow as molassis but they use to make a nice dual smp setup.

I was thinking about rebuilding my old PIII for the chip nostalgia sake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tualatin-Pentium...3A1%7C294%3A50

[NxB]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Should be nice with 2 of them and lots of ram. Anything over 1 ghz is still decent for all around use. Even my 700mhz thinkpad isn't too bad. Its not like you are going to be playing crysis on it. I wonder how much dual athlon XP would be with board and all.

[gdement]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

It's just too bad there's so few boards that can run them.
I have one such board but it's an i815 so the RAM limit ruins it.

[kc8adu]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

still have a gigabyte running 2 1.4 at 1.8
smokes up to a 3.2 p4 in all around performance.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

sure the chips are now slow as molassis but they use to make a nice dual smp setup.

1.4Ghz PIII-S is NOT slow "as molasses". Specially in dual CPU.
Frankly with a single CPU and doing general 'office things' there is no noticeable difference (once it's booted) between that and a 2.8Ghz P4 with same amount of cache and RAM. [I have one each in front office.]

Anything over 1 ghz is still decent for all around use.

Yes it is.

It's just too bad there's so few boards that can run them.
I have one such board but it's an i815 so the RAM limit ruins it.

They aren't that hard to find. There's always a few on ebay including dual CPU versions. Often they don't even sell at cheap prices.
Tyan S2518 actually seems to be fairly common. I see those all the time.
One of the problems finding them is that a lot of the sellers don't even know the board they have for sale takes Tualatin - so they don't mention it in the ad - so it doesn't show up in a search.

[i4004]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

>$10

too much for essentially worthless chip (too old).

can't you get such cpus for free at some sort of disposal facility?

i agree with pcbonez about performance, but you should essentially be getting such cpus for free in todays time...not fuckin go to auction to find one...

[Scenic]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

uhm... WTF?

its the 512KB Cache server version... not the dumb 256KB normal ones..

worthless? WTH.. i'd rather take a tualatin box than any AMD crap (Slot A / Socket A) from that time period..

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Easy to find <$10 if you aren't in a hurry.
Seen pairs for $15 and no one bid.
I bought some bulk and I got them so cheap that I'm not telling how cheap.

They are off-on in popularity.
One week there's a bazillion people bidding and the next week no one is.

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[i4004]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

worthless because it's a cpu that's 8 years old...
worthless because companies are dumping complete machines with such cpus in them...

that's their market value: worthless.

10, 50 or 100$ on ebay just is not realistic...
for a cpu that old....

in the end worthless like "many such cpus will end up being destroyed in recycling facility"...heh...
or, worthless like 10 years old cell-phone...

but that doesn't matter as decent machine can be built around it.
i just said 10$ should not be its market price...

[gdement]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

worthless because it's a cpu that's 8 years old...

8 years doesn't mean much anymore. Computers aren't improving nearly as much as they did in the 90's.

worthless because companies are dumping complete machines with such cpus in them...

that's their market value: worthless.

10, 50 or 100$ on ebay just is not realistic...
for a cpu that old....

in the end worthless like "many such cpus will end up being destroyed in recycling facility"...heh...
or, worthless like 10 years old cell-phone...

but that doesn't matter as decent machine can be built around it.
i just said 10$ should not be its market price...

$10 isn't much money, it's worth it if you have a use for something. The fact that companies are dumping them is probably what drove the price down that far in the first place. Those end up being resold, but as the price goes lower more will just go in the trash.

Most people wouldn't build a new computer around one. But if you already have a socket-370 machine that works, and you just want to upgrade to it's best processor, then that makes these chips valuable. The fastest chip that will run within certain specs always ends up worth a premium.
But it says something about the extinction of 370 if the top model only gets $10 now.

Still, I think the biggest thing that retires 370 machines is the RAM limit many of them have. And that results in their processors being dumped on the market, depressing the value.
People with VIA boards that have more capacity should have no problem spending $10 on these.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

worthless because it's a cpu that's 8 years old...

Isn't that a little two-faced coming from someone that reuses old Teapos?

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[NxB]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

>$10

too much for essentially worthless chip (too old).

can't you get such cpus for free at some sort of disposal facility?

i agree with pcbonez about performance, but you should essentially be getting such cpus for free in todays time...not fuckin go to auction to find one...

A usable dual processor machine is just a fun project.
No recycling place gives stuff up. They send it to china to get huffed by slave-workers for the .001g of precious metals. They should essentially be $1 but it would not be worth it for the seller at less than $10. Not everyone owns a repair facility, even fewer get goodies like this for free.

Corporations trash fairly modern stuff too and while its a shame, unless you're there and they let you take it you will miss out. Most normal people have to buy pretty much everything.

[pentium]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Good lord, I just saw like two dozen of these processors today.
My friend works at a computer recycler (Free Geek) and a bunch of systems came in with these 1.4Ghz processors. They sold them off in the store but he still bought eight of them.
They are quite zippy when you run them in a dual proc system.

[stevo1210]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Well here the recycling plant sells whatever is still usable back out to the public. Sometimes you can get a decent PC for a few dollars.
Like the other day i got myself an Acer Veriton 5200 tower w/1.7Ghz P4 CPU, 256MB RAM, 20HD & CDRW for $10, though I had to drag it on a 2KM walk and onto a train as I didn't bring my car on the day, instead taking the train to save on gas.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

ALRIGHT! - The "Stevo workout."
Just haul around a PC with you all day!
Can we expect a work-out video soon?
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[i4004]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

>Isn't that a little two-faced coming from someone that reuses old Teapos?

it would be, if i was reusing old teapos...
i'm not putting old caps anywhere... i said i have old teapos working on the mobo...ie they were originally there and they still work after 8 years.

i recently said you have good memory...you're contesting this now...ie i never said such thing. your ram is not addressing properly, fix it.
<wink>


otoh, it's kinda silly when you now have "premium" caps category, because all you had before was "bad" and "good"...hehe
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...mium#post64700
if you're gonna take topcat's naming, then you have premium grade, standard grade(otherwise, where do you put samxon?), and you also have at least one more grade(those lower than these two)...

if you're the pcbonez we all know and love, you only have "good" and "bad" and nothing in between
<wink>

p.s. your last 2 posts in the thread are offtopic..hehe...

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

it would be, if i was reusing old teapos...

I'm sorry. Was it GSC you recycle? G-Luxon?

otoh, it's kinda silly when you now have "premium" caps category, because all you had before was "bad" and "good"...hehe
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...mium#post64700

~~~ Begin English Lesson ~~~

The word "Premium" has no correlation what so ever to the "bad and good list" discussion earlier nor does it change anything I've said.
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Sorry, your (yet another) attempt at taking something out of context and running with it failed.

if you're gonna take topcat's naming, then you have premium grade, standard grade

Your correlation between "bad" and "good" and the term premium is yet again taken out of context and irrelevant to your point.
IOW: You don't have a point. Apparently because you dunno what the word premium means.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/premium
To be pertinent to context read definition 3.

if you're the pcbonez we all know and love, you only have "good" and "bad" and nothing in between

That is exactly right.
Caps either go on the Good List or on the Bad List.
There is no 'Kind'a Sort'a Okay list.
Good brands will always be Premium [of high value] relative to bad brands.

And within those lists there are Grades.
Panasonic FC, FM, and FJ are all on the good list.
And of those FJ is the Premium Grade [of high value] relative to FC and FM.

Topcats classifies his stock the same way.

~~~ End English Lesson ~~~
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[Wizard]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Here the kind of stuff we are concerned about is not old school stuff that relies on 60hz buzzy waveform and audio stuff between 20hz to 20KHz plus. The stuff we reserve the permium capacitors that can take stess of many issues that only very certain kind of capacitors we require: better heat tolerance and high frequency from 40KHz all the way to 10GHz and more (noise due to sharp ringing at both falling and rising transition of signals) and ripple current that current moves in and out of capacitor at high current without drooping the voltage too much or making more noise added to the already noisy voltage enviroment.

Digital stuff and high frequency stuff have extremes going on: Transistors swiches on and off in active state pull *large* current yank (spikes) on the supply plane. Next time yoiu are using a scope. .1V x div is quiet trace but click the knob down to .02 even lower and you will see noise hash now, that's what is source of noise is frome and it does radiate current and voltage noises from the sources of use. Also the switching supplies have their other source of noise as well, necessiting other reason for need of permium capacitors as well.

Degraded capacitors ripple current falls and ESR rises so much that noise that chips (specificed minimum voltage/current ripple) is exceeded and swamps the proper function of the chips and corrupts the data/programs being excuting, memory drops out data (corrupting also). It get to the extreme point where noise exceeds the maximum voltage of a chip and fries the chip.

Degraded *permium* capacitors is bad as using standard capacitors, the ESR is derived from electrolyte ooze mix, bit of it is water mixed with other chemicals for conductivity and stablizers actually! Different levels of ESR and different ripple current ratings comes from electrolyte make up and design of plates (long and narrow or short and wide or vice vesa and leads crimped to plate foils. Insulator thickness too. Seals is not 100% perfect and leaks out eventually, quick or suddenly and electrolyte is rendered useless and capacitor loses the current ripple rating along with rising ESR to the point capacitor simply very small value capacitance. Useless really. It is like trying to talk and impossible to be understood in a LOUD swamping white noise statc like the football sized dining room full of 50,000 people talking all at once.

When you say standard capacitor they are really general purpose capacitors that is perfectly suitable for small current ripple and quiet stuff like in clock, audio, 60hz filtering etc but not suitable for filtering DC stuff in digital stuff. General purpose capacitors is generally ok for cool to lukewarm temps in these very light stress enviroments.

Simply put we can't compromise on this capacitor choices in this regard especially with high speed digital stuff. HENCE this bad caps issue is all about.
I tried half way as i4004 suggested and I could not stablize my dimension 8300 there was photos of previous repair that failed on prime95 torture test. Fixed it with different capacitors that has right specs (permium stuff, all the blabble) that were correctly installed and NO *flying wires* cured the problem.

And next generation of CPUs comes with much ever tightening requirements on maximum overshoots and ripple restrictions because the voltage is getting lower and lower becomes diffcult. Excessive ripple and high overshoots is easy to exceed minimum voltage supply and damage the chip itself. Relatively easy to filter a 5V with some capacitors but it is diffcult with filtering 1.2V even lower (C2D and mobile applications). Next one or two generations after i7 will be under 1V threhold.

And another reason we had to resort to low voltage differential signaling is rising and falling currents had to be minimized and need for transmitting data over distrance, we're talking about 50MHz even more in order of 6" long even a foot over twisted pairs cable. Also to limit the radio emission radiation as well.

Cheers, Wizard

[Per Hansson]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Interesting timing, I bought one from that seller last week!
It will be going into an industrial PC for a LASER machine

These things still have a use just as you say, and $10 is IMO very cheap for the top of the line S370 CPU

[Per Hansson]

Re: Those once rare PIII 1.4Ghz chips now go for just $10 free ship on ebay

Got the CPU yesterday, so very fast free shipping!
I can recommend the seller, well packaged and no bent pins...

The system also felt allot snappier, probably the extra 256kb L2 cache helped allot vs the older Celeron CPU
Now only to get more RAM for it, our own IT department will handle the purcache of that so I might need to wait a few weeks, funny isn't it?
China vs local order in Sweden at the company
It's SO-DIMM normal SDRAM too so rare shit today...

But you can imagine how fast this system is with 256MB RAM, running WinXP and then about 30 applications for the machine (there are 3 rows of applications when I press ALT+TAB!)