Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

[Sparkey55]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

Only one good thing about Win 10, it's free. I can't tell you how many Win XP and Win Vista PCs I've Installed a semi legal version of Windows 7 on, before upgrading to full on legal Windows 10. Makes resale value go from "absolutely zero" to "at least it's worth my time".

That is what the Nazis told the Jews when they got off the trains, the showers were "FREE".

[LLLlllou]

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Only one good thing about Win 10, it's free. I can't tell you how many Win XP and Win Vista PCs I've Installed a semi legal version of Windows 7 on, before upgrading to full on legal Windows 10. Makes resale value go from "absolutely zero" to "at least it's worth my time".

[momaka]

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Sigh... remember what I wrote a few messages ago, about using addons to fix Mozilla's flubs? Add this to the list. Now this feature I use is being removed and will have to be added back with an extension.

*Sigh* browser updates

Just as annoying as OS updates, though probably a little less important. I only update my browsers when pages stop displaying right (and even then, I still continue to use my old browsers sometimes.)

They've been on this "Let's do whatever Google does with Chrome" kick for a while, and it's getting really annoying.

That's how everything is in the tech world nowadays. One company does something, and then the next instant they all are doing it - regardless if it's bad or good.

I never shut down the PC unless I am going to work on it, and I don't get rid of the browsing history. It's too valuable! I always want to go back and revisit things from days ago.

But you can do that with Bookmarks/Favorites too.

At least I do. Which is why I like Opera 10/11/12 so much - saving and organizing bookmarks is extremely easy.

Cookies, though, get deleted as soon as the tab is closed, and I have an addon to do it manually as well (I use it before and after using Google).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMAsZGjpxx8#t=2m51s

[Ascaris]

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No offense, but leaving over 50 tabs open... sounds just lazy .

Oh, I am! Won't deny that.

How can you even keep track of that many anyways?

Addons, mostly. Classic Theme Restorer colors the unread tabs differently, and I have Tab Mix Plus to make sure that daughter tabs are opened just to the right of the parent (current) tab, so I can see the new ones and know what order they were opened in.

As for the tabs that have been open longer, I use the All tabs list and the tab groups display (from which I can search the open tab titles).

I actually started to reply to this topic before, but I got distracted when I saw that my tab groups display had a warning that the feature was being removed soon, and I had to go see what that was about.

Sigh... remember what I wrote a few messages ago, about using addons to fix Mozilla's flubs? Add this to the list. Now this feature I use is being removed and will have to be added back with an extension. I really don't get the logic-- The developer tools are built in, even though very few people are devs as a percentage of users, but they keep taking out regular user features and leaving it to the aftermarket to put them back.

They've been on this "Let's do whatever Google does with Chrome" kick for a while, and it's getting really annoying. If I wanted Chrome, I would have it. I sometimes wonder if they're not just tired of it and trying to kill Firefox off... but if that's so, why not just leave?

I read what I read, but at the end of the day my PC has to be shut down and all browsing history and cache is cleared.

I never shut down the PC unless I am going to work on it, and I don't get rid of the browsing history. It's too valuable! I always want to go back and revisit things from days ago.

Cookies, though, get deleted as soon as the tab is closed, and I have an addon to do it manually as well (I use it before and after using Google).

[momaka]

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not on mine.

Same here. With AU turned completely OFF (including the service), I don't see how that will happen.

I have 8GB on my main PC, and it's woefully inadequate for my needs. The system hits the page file so hard that my SSD can almost be heard audibly complaining (though it should still last ~10 years at the rate data is being written to it). Firefox x64, in particular, with my 30 some-odd addons, seems to think that the goal is to use every last byte of memory available. Granted, I tend to let it keep going forever (until it uses up all the memory, at which time I restart it), and I rarely close tabs other than when I restart Firefox, so I regularly see a hundred or two tabs open.

No offense, but leaving over 50 tabs open... sounds just lazy . How can you even keep track of that many anyways? I know I can't (but I am a bit slow too... so maybe that's why ). I read what I read, but at the end of the day my PC has to be shut down and all browsing history and cache is cleared. No exceptions. And yes, I have to restart my browsers mid-session sometimes too. While FireFox is indeed a bit memory-hungry, it isn't the only one. Even good old Opera 10/11/12 will hoard too much RAM after a while. I think it's more to do with the web coding and active content these days - many websites load way too much unnecessary crap for no reason. Badcaps and a few other small websites are really the only places that I haven't seen degrade to that path. I can still view BCN on my Pentium 3 laptop with 512 MB of RAM never hit pagefile, even after browsing all day.

But with FireFox 24, I can have a maximum of 10-20 YouTube tabs open before I run out of RAM (1.25 GB on this PC) and start hitting pagefile. I suppose that is good enough for now, though.

[Ascaris]

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my first pc, a 286 had 4MB of memory,
win311 and dos both work fine with more.

Right you are... GB, not MB! I catch myself doing that all the time... this time I didn't catch it.

You CAN have more than 4 GB of memory in Windows XP 32-bit, but you need to enable PAE...

I didn't hear about the PAE tricks until after I made the jump. FWIW, I tried the Win 7 x86 patch (wj32.com/PatchPAE... new one out today, how about that?) to enable PAE before I went to 7x64 on my laptop, and it didn't work (and despite what the author of the page says, I did follow the directions precisely).

Upon further research, several Windows updates that were already on my system were listed as possible reasons it didn't work, but I didn't want to have to worry not only about nefarious updates (GWX, telemetry, etc.), but also about not breaking the PAE patch, so I just started over with x64. I'd only finished installing 7 x86 and getting everything working (even the fingerprint reader) and updated a few days prior... I had not even activated the x86 version yet (it uses the same key for 32 or 64 bit, of course).

Personally, I haven't found a need yet to go past 2 GB of RAM. Even 1.5 is enough for what I do these days. Maybe a year or two from now, when the web bloats even more, I will need 2+ GB.

I have 8GB on my main PC, and it's woefully inadequate for my needs. The system hits the page file so hard that my SSD can almost be heard audibly complaining (though it should still last ~10 years at the rate data is being written to it). Firefox x64, in particular, with my 30 some-odd addons, seems to think that the goal is to use every last byte of memory available. Granted, I tend to let it keep going forever (until it uses up all the memory, at which time I restart it), and I rarely close tabs other than when I restart Firefox, so I regularly see a hundred or two tabs open. I've read that Chrome is even worse when a massive number of tabs are open.

[stj]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

not on mine.

[TELVM]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

Check your six!

Windows 10 will now automatically download and install on PCs

[ratdude747]

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You CAN have more than 4 GB of memory in Windows XP 32-bit, but you need to enable PAE and do some tricks with a RAMdisk. See this:
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...&postcount=234

Ah yes my beloved Gavotte PAE RAMdisk trick. Works wonders for my Xeon Gallatin based rigs that are i686 limited but can run up to 8GB (12GB for the one I sent to brethin) of ECC DDR1. With this trick they run windows 7 32-bit like a champ.

Here are some notes:

1. AFAIK a lot of older systems don't have PAE enabled by windows directly (IIRC you need a 64-bit CPU, which is kinda self defeating). For XP and Server 2003 you need to use the /PAE switch in boot.ini . For Vista and later, there is a command one must run to manually enable it on systems where it isn't already enabled. I have it in a one-line batch file that makes it easy (just remember to run it as administrator). See this for more details:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

2. You need the correct version of Gavotte in order to make things work. Older versions won't do. I've attached the correct version (with my aforementioned batch file) to this post.

3. There is a caveat to the trick: you are limited to what you can do with the RAM. For instance, the largest you can allocate to the page file is 4095MB. The rest (somewhere in the 800MB range on 8GB RAM) I allocate to my TEMP/.tmp files, so it auto-clears on boot (one of the benefits of volatile RAM ). So in reality all you get in terms of usable RAM is 800MB short of 8GB when all is said and done. Not that anything run by a mortal on a 32bit system will ever need more than that, anyway (some things like Java runtime don't run well on 32 bit).

[momaka]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

I am relatively new to 7; I only upgraded because I wanted more than 4MB of memory, and I knew XP's 64-bit version was not well supported.

You CAN have more than 4 GB of memory in Windows XP 32-bit, but you need to enable PAE and do some tricks with a RAMdisk. See this:
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...&postcount=234

Personally, I haven't found a need yet to go past 2 GB of RAM. Even 1.5 is enough for what I do these days. Maybe a year or two from now, when the web bloats even more, I will need 2+ GB.

another microshaft schill we have here i see.

+1

+2

automatic updates = break my system while i'm not looking, so i dont know what happened!

+1000

Make that +1001

[stj]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

I only upgraded because I wanted more than 4MB of memory

my first pc, a 286 had 4MB of memory,
win311 and dos both work fine with more.

[Ascaris]

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Hmmm...unlike previous Windows releases, W10's disposition doesn't seem to be improving. I didn't like W7 at all upon release, it was a flaky turd....but after SP1, W7 rapidly became the shining jewel, and I quit badmouthing it. XP was the Golden Jewel, 7 never surpassed it IMO, but it came in a close second. W10 stumbled out of the starting gate, and keeps tripping over its own feet along the way. Bad sign.

I completely agree with regard to XP and 7. XP is still the pinnacle of the Windows bunch in terms of usability and just getting things "right," IMO. It's stable, relatively lean, and is still capable of running most everything (in the x86 version) that people use now. It would almost surely be beating Windows 10 in market share now if Microsoft had not stopped the security updates; as it stands, 10 is only a touch above XP, and is still below 8/8.1 (which is really saying a lot).

I never used Win2k personally, but I know it shared the UI with WinME, which I did use, as it was preinstalled on my first laptop (and I didn't have the horror-story experiences that make so many hate WinME). The UI was perfected right at that moment, IMO... no further large-scale development necessary, as I see it. If only MS had felt the same, it would have saved me a lot of annoyance. At least XP could easily be set to look very much like ME/2k, and with very little effort.

I only wish that XP had been the base for Microsoft's new plan to not release more Windows versions, but to continuously update the existing one. An XP with decent x64 support, DWM, better processor scheduling for multicore PCs, never-ending security updates, etc... would be perfect.

I am relatively new to 7; I only upgraded because I wanted more than 4MB of memory, and I knew XP's 64-bit version was not well supported. I'd been using XP from around 2002 until around 2014, if I recall... a dozen years with one Windows.

When I bought a laptop with Vista on it in 2008, it came with a "free offer" from Newegg (it was a $14.99 value, or something)... an official Asus Windows XP driver CD/DVD (don't remember which). Kind of tells a lot about how Vista was perceived at that time. When I got that laptop out of the box, I installed Acronis True Image on it, imaged the hard drive, and wiped it to install XP. That XP install remained on that lappy until oh, about four or five months ago now. Yeah, it struck me as a waste to pay the MS tax for Vista I was not going to use, but you don't win them all.

As such, I never experienced the bad stuff about Vista that so many did, and I missed the buggy rollout of 7 too. I only upgraded to 7 after Microsoft had already stopped production on it (not sure what version... OEM for system builders and/or retail); I just remember reading about it just before I saw 7 on sale at Fry's for Christmas). 8 had been out a while, but I knew (from what I had read) that it was not what I wanted.

So to those people who are now telling me 7 is antiquated and obsolete... naw! It's hardly even broken in by my standards, like a car that barely hit 100k miles. I had XP for 12 years; I've only had 7 for two years.

[goodpsusearch]

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another microshaft schill we have here i see.

+1

automatic updates = break my system while i'm not looking, so i dont know what happened!

+1000

[Heihachi_73]

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I second (third?) that. I have an E7400 machine with Vista and it runs like a charm, even with 2GB RAM (with 1GB it is a joke, expect Vista to thrash your hard drive to a premature death even if you disable all of the useless "services" that made Vista slow in the first place).

[Stefan Payne]

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Vista wasn't bad at all, just released too soon...
A couple of months more and it could have been great...

Still, the HDD consumption was very inflationary...

With XP you could install on a 4GB partition/Harddrive, with Vista you need 'a bit more'...

[Topcat]

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Ironically, Vista SP2 is the only post-XP Windows that was found to actually at default have zero errors in the event log!

Vista after SP2 actually functions very nice.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Hmmm...unlike previous Windows releases, W10's disposition doesn't seem to be improving.

When I tested Windows 10 final, I saw an error, if not several errors in the event log on a clean install!

An error that can't be blamed on anyone but Microsoft themselves!

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I didn't like W7 at all upon release, it was a flaky turd....but after SP1, W7 rapidly became the shining jewel, and I quit badmouthing it.

Sounds just like Vista! With Vista SP0, file copying would stutter and with service packs, Vista now works about as well!

Ironically, Vista SP2 is the only post-XP Windows that was found to actually at default have zero errors in the event log!

7 SP1 always has a stupid error in the event log and appears to be permissions F-ed up by Microsoft themselves!

Windows 8.1 has an issue with a Windows Store error:

Windows Store failed to sync machine licenses. Result code 0x80070002

[Topcat]

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Hmmm...unlike previous Windows releases, W10's disposition doesn't seem to be improving. I didn't like W7 at all upon release, it was a flaky turd....but after SP1, W7 rapidly became the shining jewel, and I quit badmouthing it. XP was the Golden Jewel, 7 never surpassed it IMO, but it came in a close second. W10 stumbled out of the starting gate, and keeps tripping over its own feet along the way. Bad sign.

[ddscentral]

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automatic updates = break my system while i'm not looking, so i dont know what happened!

+1

Especially true for driver updates.