Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

[momaka]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

Win 10 is more convenient because all you need to to is install it and if you have a working internet connection, it does everything for you.

Now that just sounds lazy.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Folks at MSFN aren't quick to throw in the towel on XP at all! XP is far from dead there!

[Stefan Payne]

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If Linux wasn't that horseshit, I'd use it.

But try doing a network share on Linux, without command line stuff...

With windows -> right click, share and do your share.
With Linux? (I prefer Linux Mint Most of the times) ähm, yo...

And that's the problem with that stuff...

As someone said somewhere else:
One thing the open source community isn't short of is EGO.
And that's their main problem...

Until there is a big company that is interested of doing a desktop 'Linux', and doing this stuff themselves, I doubt that much will change...
I really really like to use Linux mainly on one of my machines but I can't...
There is just so much wrong with it, so inconvenient at times...

That's the reason I stuck with Windows: it's just soo much better for endusers than Linux...
Sadly...

There are other things as well. A media player as good/convenient as MPC-HC/BE, 5 button mouse support everywhere and especially just installing a program...

[diif]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

there was no headstart, m$ had "Windows-Fone" long before Android and iOS,
it competed with stuff like the palm-trio

you just dont know it, because it was shit and didnt sell.
it did crash with a bluescreen though!
and you could exploit the crash to unlock the simlocks, so the networks like Orange who subsidised that shit didnt want to get stung again!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_SPV

The operating system was called Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC.
I had it on my O2 Exec. Way back in 2005.

Whilst it did crash, i don't remember a blue screen.

[TELVM]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

After the announcement of Windows 10 in the wake of the failure of Windows 8, people were saying that Windows 10 was the "make or break" product for MS; another failure would doom them and hasten the decline of the PC market even more.

Microsoft could have gone back to making a desktop OS designed (get this) for the desktop, rather than entertaining some harebrained idea about making one OS for two very different platforms. Imagine the success Windows 10 would have if it had the UI of Windows 7 with the underhood improvements of 10 (but without the spyware and forced updates)! They could have had that, easily. It would be a clear upgrade for Windows 7 users, and compared to 8, it would look like a completely new, upgrade-worthy OS, even with its older UI. It would have been a smash hit on the desktop!

That's the problem, though. They don't want merely a smash hit on the desktop. They want something that will make up for the 7 year head start iOS and Android have on them in the mobile market... the same thing 8 was meant to bring about, and which led to its utter rejection by the market.

With all of that in mind, Microsoft decided not to give us a great desktop OS, one worthy to succeed Win2k, XP, and 7. Instead, they took another shot at an idea that had already been rejected by their customers. Their desire to crowbar their way into the mobile market is so strong that they threw all of their desktop customers under the bus to try to accomplish it.

Now that 10 has been out for a while, and it has become evident that there are a LOT of us rejecting it, Microsoft is getting worried-- for good reason. They know a lot of people resisted giving up XP, and that was with a popular replacement (7) available. What will people do when 7 comes to its end and there is no popular replacement? All of the features they added in 10 (the carrot) didn't work, so here comes the stick.

Speaking of that... as I am typing this, I noticed that my laptop (Win 7) has some updates ready. As always, I inspect them to make sure they are things that will benefit ME instead of Microsoft... and what do I find? All of the updates I had hidden are now unhidden and marked for installation... again. Gotta love it! "This update resolves issues in Windows." Apparently, not having a "Get Windows 10" adware popup is an issue (among about nine other things that also have nothing to do with making Windows 7 better for me).

If 10 was any good, it would be selling itself. It's free for home users of 7 and 8, after all! If we won't even take it for FREE, what does that say about how good it is?

What a pickle (of their own creation) MS is in-- they can't give us an OS we'd actually WANT to use, because that won't sell any Windows mobile devices, and they can't get us to adopt 10, because it sucks. They're left trying to FUD their own prior products to death. If they can't sell us on it, they'll browbeat us, scare us, threaten us into taking their horrible product. After all, it's a make or break product; MS cannot afford to fail on this one.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out once the free upgrade period ends. If Win 7 users would not take it for free, what are the odds we'll take it for a hundred bucks?

^ That's an epic post, yes sir!

[stj]

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They want something that will make up for the 7 year head start iOS and Android have on them in the mobile market..

there was no headstart, m$ had "Windows-Fone" long before Android and iOS,
it competed with stuff like the palm-trio

you just dont know it, because it was shit and didnt sell.
it did crash with a bluescreen though!
and you could exploit the crash to unlock the simlocks, so the networks like Orange who subsidised that shit didnt want to get stung again!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_SPV

[Ascaris]

Re: Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

After the announcement of Windows 10 in the wake of the failure of Windows 8, people were saying that Windows 10 was the "make or break" product for MS; another failure would doom them and hasten the decline of the PC market even more.

Microsoft could have gone back to making a desktop OS designed (get this) for the desktop, rather than entertaining some harebrained idea about making one OS for two very different platforms. Imagine the success Windows 10 would have if it had the UI of Windows 7 with the underhood improvements of 10 (but without the spyware and forced updates)! They could have had that, easily. It would be a clear upgrade for Windows 7 users, and compared to 8, it would look like a completely new, upgrade-worthy OS, even with its older UI. It would have been a smash hit on the desktop!

That's the problem, though. They don't want merely a smash hit on the desktop. They want something that will make up for the 7 year head start iOS and Android have on them in the mobile market... the same thing 8 was meant to bring about, and which led to its utter rejection by the market.

With all of that in mind, Microsoft decided not to give us a great desktop OS, one worthy to succeed Win2k, XP, and 7. Instead, they took another shot at an idea that had already been rejected by their customers. Their desire to crowbar their way into the mobile market is so strong that they threw all of their desktop customers under the bus to try to accomplish it.

Now that 10 has been out for a while, and it has become evident that there are a LOT of us rejecting it, Microsoft is getting worried-- for good reason. They know a lot of people resisted giving up XP, and that was with a popular replacement (7) available. What will people do when 7 comes to its end and there is no popular replacement? All of the features they added in 10 (the carrot) didn't work, so here comes the stick.

Speaking of that... as I am typing this, I noticed that my laptop (Win 7) has some updates ready. As always, I inspect them to make sure they are things that will benefit ME instead of Microsoft... and what do I find? All of the updates I had hidden are now unhidden and marked for installation... again. Gotta love it! "This update resolves issues in Windows." Apparently, not having a "Get Windows 10" adware popup is an issue (among about nine other things that also have nothing to do with making Windows 7 better for me).

If 10 was any good, it would be selling itself. It's free for home users of 7 and 8, after all! If we won't even take it for FREE, what does that say about how good it is?

What a pickle (of their own creation) MS is in-- they can't give us an OS we'd actually WANT to use, because that won't sell any Windows mobile devices, and they can't get us to adopt 10, because it sucks. They're left trying to FUD their own prior products to death. If they can't sell us on it, they'll browbeat us, scare us, threaten us into taking their horrible product. After all, it's a make or break product; MS cannot afford to fail on this one.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out once the free upgrade period ends. If Win 7 users would not take it for free, what are the odds we'll take it for a hundred bucks?

[ChaosLegionnaire]

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whoa, at this rate ppl and businesses will be willing to pay to use linux and paying to make it work for them. thanks micro$heet!

[ratdude747]

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Win 10 is more convenient because all you need to to is install it and if you have a working internet connection, it does everything for you.

To include spying too! I'd rather do things myself and know they were done right ... not let the OS do it all for me and screw it all up.

[shovenose]

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Win 10 is more convenient because all you need to to is install it and if you have a working internet connection, it does everything for you.

Definitely true!

[Stefan Payne]

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Win 10 is more convenient because all you need to to is install it and if you have a working internet connection, it does everything for you.

[lookimback]

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Windows 10 benefit: When I take a hammer and smash my laptop to bits because it's fucking up and the latest W10 update broke all my apps, I won't be half as upset as I would be if I'd smashed my W7 laptop.

[dmill89]

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Yes, I'm aware of businesses that don't spend on IT because "it just works" like the person that buys a car and drives it until it breaks. Then they realise they need someone with knowledge and expertise.

Computers are a tool and as such they need setting up correctly and maintaining.

As several high profile attacks showed last year setting up and maintaining a reliable and secure network is not a 5 minute job nor is it cheap depending on the complexity of the network.

Absolutely, I definitely don't condone companies/organizations that treat IT like this, this is 2016 not 1990, and any company/organization that handles IT like this these days is just asking for problems. That being said Microsoft should not be further contributing to these issues, it is bad enough to have to worry about hackers, malware, and identity thieves, and then to have a major vendor (MS) using similar tactics to push an "upgrade" that may cause a major disruption of business, will surely alienate many of their customers (even those that might not be directly affected by this after seeing such tactics being used).

[diif]

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Who are these small/medium businesses? Do they have the capital to pay for the needed extra support that could be necessitated by this move? Do you realize that an awful lot of small/medium networks are actually in local and regional governments and education campuses who are chronically underfunded? Who's gonna pay for the work? I don't see a lot of qualified volunteers lining up, do you? It will undoubtedly be an issue for some rather important functions that society relies upon.

Yes, I'm aware of businesses that don't spend on IT because "it just works" like the person that buys a car and drives it until it breaks. Then they realise they need someone with knowledge and expertise.

Computers are a tool and as such they need setting up correctly and maintaining.

As several high profile attacks showed last year setting up and maintaining a reliable and secure network is not a 5 minute job nor is it cheap depending on the complexity of the network.

And whilst i'm happy to donate some of my time to "charity jobs" they don't pay my bills so i much prefer paid work.

[dmill89]

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Who are these small/medium businesses? Do they have the capital to pay for the needed extra support that could be necessitated by this move? Do you realize that an awful lot of small/medium networks are actually in local and regional governments and education campuses who are chronically underfunded? Who's gonna pay for the work? I don't see a lot of qualified volunteers lining up, do you? It will undoubtedly be an issue for some rather important functions that society relies upon.

^This, sure the support exists if they can/want to pay for it, but it would be a major expense for many such businesses/organizations and if even if they can afford it they may not be able to get it quickly enough (negotiation of contracts, availability of contractors, training on company specific systems, etc.).
In my senior project in college we worked with such a company, a local manufacturing company with a couple hundred employees (most of whom had/used a computer) that made and repaired electronic control modules. They had 1 "IT guy" in the entire company and none of the prescribed procedures/standardization that major companies have (many different OSs, sketchy access controls/user security, etc.), these companies simply don't have/prioritize the resources for things like this.

There are a lot of businesses (as well as schools and local governments) like this that often put little thought/resources into IT.

[stj]

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it wasnt that bad before!
it's not "stuck" keys, it's keys that arent sensitive enough when i speed-type.
time for the sun type5 - once i get a cable for it.

win10 shit here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01..._business_pcs/

and here
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01..._2016_patches/

[SteveNielsen]

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A 6 lb sledge will fix them stuck keys real good.

BTW, I do believe you're getting soft, I don't recall you apologizing for anything before

[stj]

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i just read my last post - apologies over missing letters etc, i am going to smash this keyboard and replace it with a decent one next week!!

[SteveNielsen]

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If businesses haven't got their systems secure and can let users install software, Windows 10 is the least of their worries. (cryptoware)
There are enough support companies and individuals about to support businesses of all sizes, so this shouldn't be an issue.

Who are these small/medium businesses? Do they have the capital to pay for the needed extra support that could be necessitated by this move? Do you realize that an awful lot of small/medium networks are actually in local and regional governments and education campuses who are chronically underfunded? Who's gonna pay for the work? I don't see a lot of qualified volunteers lining up, do you? It will undoubtedly be an issue for some rather important functions that society relies upon.

[diif]

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However this could be a major issue for small/medium sized business, especially those who don't lock down permissions on their systems (so a user could actually download and install win10), imagine a bunch of "non-technical" not knowing any better clicking on the pop-up and installing Win10 and breaking most of the business software on their machines, which could lead to major downtime and serious business impacts as the affected systems have to be reverted to win7 or re-imaged (especially for small companies that don't have dozens/hundreds of space computers like most major corporations do to get users back up quickly after a major failure, or large numbers of IT personnel to fix the problems).

If businesses haven't got their systems secure and can let users install software, Windows 10 is the least of their worries. (cryptoware)
There are enough support companies and individuals about to support businesses of all sizes, so this shouldn't be an issue.