Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

[Topcat]

Hi TC. Been a while since I posted here. Lurking mostly.

So, by "creative" methods do you mean activating Windows 10 using a Windows 7 or 8 product keys? I've read that you can use an older Windows 10 installer like Build 1607 or Build 1703 which still gives the option to type a product key for activation then use a Windows 7 or 8.1. key to activate and once done just upgrade it to a latest Windows 10 build. At least this is what I've read in the interwebz.

Long time no see! Glad you're still with us.

Other creative measures is activation scripts....which will actually permanently activate a device with MS with HWID. Even if you format it and reload it, it will activate on its own without having to execute the script again.

[Xenon-Codex]

Funny thing is that the other test thingy activated with a Win10 Home digital license. It's never been like that, only Win10 education all time, unless from the Fujitsu factory before the SCCM-install.

[grss1982]

M$ stopped giving out digital upgrade licenses for WIn7/8 quite some time ago. You either have to buy a key or use some more 'creative' methods.

Hi TC. Been a while since I posted here. Lurking mostly.

So, by "creative" methods do you mean activating Windows 10 using a Windows 7 or 8 product keys? I've read that you can use an older Windows 10 installer like Build 1607 or Build 1703 which still gives the option to type a product key for activation then use a Windows 7 or 8.1. key to activate and once done just upgrade it to a latest Windows 10 build. At least this is what I've read in the interwebz.

[Topcat]

The same system is in use since Windows XP: it requires online activation.
AFAIK the activation for XP no longer works, so in time the same will happen here.

It does not work anymore; SSH2 marked the end of activating XP online. I think you can still by phone.....but don't hold me to that; they may have killed that by now as well. I have a corporate edition, no activation required.... The 'loader' will keep 7 eternally activated. 10 and up, I don't know.

[dmill89]

The same system is in use since Windows XP: it requires online activation.
AFAIK the activation for XP no longer works, so in time the same will happen here.

The online activation system for XP (as well as vista and now 7) shutdown a long time ago, but at least in the US the phone based (as well as the app they'll send you a link for if you call from a smart phone and consent to using the app when the IVR prompts) "challenge code" activation still works.

It will likely be more "interesting" for windows 8 and newer though since most systems only have a "digital license" and no physical key like XP/Vista/7, this is the case for any OEM system with windows pre-installed as well as anything upgraded from a Windows 7 key (since when you upgraded back before the stopped allowing it a "digital license" was generated from the HWID), so if/when they shut down the activation servers I'm not sure if there will be any "workarounds" for activation (at least legitimate ones).

[Per Hansson]

What is the digital license? Something which can be unplugged in the year 2525 by turning of the (stupid) cloud system?

The same system is in use since Windows XP: it requires online activation.
AFAIK the activation for XP no longer works, so in time the same will happen here.

[Xenon-Codex]

^This, if the system (motherboard) was previously updated to windows 10 before the cutoff it will continue to activate. But if it wasn't a windows 7/8 key will no longer activate windows 10/11 (at least through "official" channels). OEM keys can be gotten pretty cheaply ($15-$20), but they will be tied to the hardware once activated (an OEM key not sold with hardware is also technically a EULA violation, but at least so far Microsoft doesn't enforce this). Of course, there are also always the more "creative" methods if you're not concerned about being "genuine/official", and even an un-activated copy works for the most part (aside from the annoying watermark and some settings locked).

That's what I thought. This particular machine is not going to be Win10, but I have over 10 MoBo's+ SSD's with installed Win10 for spare.
What is the digital license? Something which can be unplugged in the year 2525 by turning of the (stupid) cloud system?

[dmill89]

...because M$ 'fingerprinted' (HWID) them when they were giving out free upgrades....so they will continue to activate.

^This, if the system (motherboard) was previously updated to windows 10 before the cutoff it will continue to activate. But if it wasn't a windows 7/8 key will no longer activate windows 10/11 (at least through "official" channels). OEM keys can be gotten pretty cheaply ($15-$20), but they will be tied to the hardware once activated (an OEM key not sold with hardware is also technically a EULA violation, but at least so far Microsoft doesn't enforce this). Of course, there are also always the more "creative" methods if you're not concerned about being "genuine/official", and even an un-activated copy works for the most part (aside from the annoying watermark and some settings locked).

[Topcat]

How it's possible that the three other Win10's activated today like years ago?

...because M$ 'fingerprinted' (HWID) them when they were giving out free upgrades....so they will continue to activate.

[Xenon-Codex]

M$ stopped giving out digital upgrade licenses for WIn7/8 quite some time ago. You either have to buy a key or use some more 'creative' methods.

How it's possible that the three other Win10's activated today like years ago? The Dell disc has mysteriously always activate the 10 after upgrade...

[Topcat]

Is something ended? This is a Fujitsu P510 with Win7 (dell oem) in it, upgraded to Win10 like all of my computers. P520 and P556 (which are newer) worked today. It says "no key found from this machine". Other 5 are working but installed ~2 years ago.
Stupid facebook said this pic is a violation of copyright and censored it.

M$ stopped giving out digital upgrade licenses for WIn7/8 quite some time ago. You either have to buy a key or use some more 'creative' methods.

[Xenon-Codex]

Is something ended? This is a Fujitsu P510 with Win7 (dell oem) in it, upgraded to Win10 like all of my computers. P520 and P556 (which are newer) worked today. It says "no key found from this machine". Other 5 are working but installed ~2 years ago.
Stupid facebook said this pic is a violation of copyright and censored it.

[dmill89]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I tried using Windows 11, but it had quite a few problems and it kept me updating quite a bit. Is there a way to fix it so it doesn't update automatically?

Do you have Windows 11 home or pro?

With home you can only postpone updates for a period of time (up to 5 weeks) at least officially, with pro you can disable them through group policy. There are also a few "unofficial" (use these at your own risk as Microsoft does not support them) ways of preventing updates by disabling the windows update service or editing the registry.

https://www.minitool.com/data-recove...11-update.html


https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...tes-windows-11

[eccerr0r]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

If you have an older machine, you're shielded from the updates (due to their draconian requirements)?

I just filled my windows partition with a disk image used for Linux. It sure won't be downloading anything...

[lti]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I remember an update removing KB3035583 after the "free upgrade to Windows 10" period ended.

I wonder how long it will be before there is a "Get Windows 11" update.

[bads214]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Hello, thank you for this information, my computer, unfortunately, does not have the KB3035583 update installed, but I will download it because the more update, the better it is, but I don't know why it did not install because it does not detect it

[Uranium-235]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Actually with pro, you can disable optional updates, but security updates are still go

[televizora]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

After that, windows update is done and 10 remains silent; doesn't download anything, doesn't ask about anything. There's a little more gpedit tweaking for other things, but above will kill windows update on Pro.

Thanks. Seems like I somehow missed this information. I also found the source
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...as-wu-settings

[Topcat]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Well, gpedit options are limited to "notify before download and install". One click, and the updates start. The problem with GPEDIT is that contrary to the registry it's not easy to "export policy". This does not apply for domain connected computers, of course.

Local Computer Policy -> Comupter Config -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update

'Do not connect to any Windows Update Internet locations' -> enable
'Remove access to all Windows Update features' -> enable

Then:

Local Computer Policy -> Comupter Config -> Administrative Templates -> System -> Internet Communication Settings

'Turn off access to all Windows Update features' -> enable

Then run shutup 10 and disable all.

After that, windows update is done and 10 remains silent; doesn't download anything, doesn't ask about anything. There's a little more gpedit tweaking for other things, but above will kill windows update on Pro.

[televizora]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

You can disable it with Pro with GPEDIT.

Well, gpedit options are limited to "notify before download and install". One click, and the updates start. The problem with GPEDIT is that contrary to the registry it's not easy to "export policy". This does not apply for domain connected computers, of course.