Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

[Topcat]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

The difference is that in Windows7 you can disable auto updates and you will never see constant 50% CPU, 100% HDD usage.
And 50% means 1 core fully utilized(100% core 0) with god knows what, slowing down the whole machine.
How can you have 50% CPU, 100% HDD on a machine that is doing almost nothing?

You can disable it with Pro with GPEDIT. Not sure about home. I think it can be disabled using 'shutup 10'....but anytime I set up a 10 system for a customer, it's always pro.

[televizora]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I had the same experience with Windows 7 and the same amount of RAM.

The difference is that in Windows7 you can disable auto updates and you will never see constant 50% CPU, 100% HDD usage.
And 50% means 1 core fully utilized(100% core 0) with god knows what, slowing down the whole machine.
How can you have 50% CPU, 100% HDD on a machine that is doing almost nothing?

[lti]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Perfect dual core machines with 4gigs of ram unusable.
Opening internet browser requires 5 minutes. And forcing updates.

I had the same experience with Windows 7 and the same amount of RAM.

I still don't like that Windows 10 will reset some settings (but not all) back to defaults at random.

[televizora]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Stay away from Windows10. I had numerous complains describing slowdowns.
When I access the machine, I see "Software protection = 50% CPU, 100% disk usage"
This is not acceptable. Perfect dual core machines with 4gigs of ram unusable.
Opening internet browser requires 5 minutes. And forcing updates.
I want to reboot the machine, then wait 15 minutes for updates to end.

[Per Hansson]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

^^Yes it's much better, still they do sneak some stuff in.
Like this blasphemy:
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...914#post733914

[theDoctor]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I did find this:

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB4012212

Security only patches for S2K8R2 and Win7 without all the telemetry shit of the full rollup.

This is great. I read some stuff about Microsoft putting non-security items in "Security" updates. Are you pretty sure about this being legit?

Thanks for the link!

[Per Hansson]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I followed the instructions under 'How to enable or disable SMB protocols on the SMB client' (will post the link at the bottom). *My laptop isn't a server, so it must be the client, right?
<snip>
Feedback?

Actually if you connect from another system, say using WannaCry to your laptop then it is performing the duty of a SMB server.
At least that is how I interpret it...

[Topcat]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

My NAS is running S2K8R1, patched up...and that's the only system that has real data contained on it. S2K8R2 is basically Win7....and the patch doesn't work on it....imagine that, since R2 was included in that nonsensical 'rollup'

I did find this:

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB4012212

Security only patches for S2K8R2 and Win7 without all the telemetry shit of the full rollup.

[theDoctor]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Assuming that you and others are running win7 with a limited number of security updates installed (the purpose of this thread), do you intend to install the security rollup put out by microsoft to protect against WannaCry? If not, what is your plan moving forward? Thanks

This is what I did to protect my Win7 system from the WannaCry exploit. Please comment on whether you think this is effective.

Setup: WannaCry exploits outdated SMBv1 protocols. So, disable SMBv1. Do not disable SMBv2 or SMBv3.

I followed the instructions under 'How to enable or disable SMB protocols on the SMB client' (will post the link at the bottom). *My laptop isn't a server, so it must be the client, right?

It's a very simple copy/paste of two lines, into an elevated command prompt. To get an elevated command prompt, right-click the command prompt and choose Run as administrator.

Paste, or type, the commands one at a time and hit Enter each time. Here they are:
To disable SMBv1 on the SMB client, run the following commands:
sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb20/nsi
sc.exe config mrxsmb10 start= disabled

See the attachment for a screenshot showing the command prompt after entering both commands.

Here's a link to the instructions per Microsoft.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ws-server-2012

Feedback?

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Compiling KDE made me feel like I was on a 486 SX at 25 Mhz, if not a 386! (You know the chips where even Duke Nukem 3D in 320x240 is slow! LOL!)

And that reminds me of my 386 SX, IIRC, where NES emulation with Nesticle, was slllooowww!

And regarding Windows, WSUSOffline wins again!

There's an issue, which may still exist, where wsusscn2.cab is corrupted and the workaround is to change the DNS server!

When the cab is corrupted, it usually can't be more obvious, because if you double click on the cab, the cab file viewer will scream "Cannot open the cabinet file" or similar.

7-zip also will scream as well...

But, for me, wsusscn2.cab hasn't been corrupted for likely 5 or 4 months now...

[theDoctor]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I'm sure you're right. Assuming that you and others are running
win7 with a limited number of security updates installed (the purpose of this thread), do you intend to install the security rollup put out by microsoft to protect against WannaCry? If not, what is your plan moving forward? Thanks

[ratdude747]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Maybe home users on a protected wireless network aren't vulnerable. I'm not sharing files on a network. I don't really know what the Server Message Block (SMB) vulnerability means but perhaps my home network is ok, using only good antivirus software?

You're screwed as soon as some twit gets on your network/wifi and clicks the link. SMB is what domains and workgroups (and mapped drives for that matter) run on... it's highly integrated into the core of the OS AFAIK. Without the patch or completely isolating (unplugged cables, disabled wifi) your computers from any and all networks the vulnerability exists. Even if AV catches it, it's too late, some/all of the damage will have already been done.

My understanding was that MS had no idea as the NSA found it and sat on it rather than quietly let MS know that they had a problem. Had the NSA not been hacked several months ago MS probably still wouldn't have known that pre-windows 10 SMB had an issue.

I don't think MS did this intentionally... I think that the NSA stumbled upon a backdoor before they had a chance to "ask" for one to be added. I couldn't see them adding this big of a hole and not doing anything about it for 4+ major (not counting windows server) operating systems. As for 10 not having the issue, my understanding was that for windows 10 SMB was redone and as a result the issue didn't exist in the new version of the SMB stack to begin with.

Just my $0.02

[stj]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

i suspect this will go under any security software.

[theDoctor]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Maybe home users on a protected wireless network aren't vulnerable. I'm not sharing files on a network. I don't really know what the Server Message Block (SMB) vulnerability means but perhaps my home network is ok, using only good antivirus software?

[Topcat]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

^
M$ wants to kill off W7, like they had a hell of a time doing with XP.

[theDoctor]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I'd like to install a security update to protect against the WannaCry exploit released by the NSA.

Microsoft has released stand-alone patches for most operating systems. These patches are very small file sizes. Yet, apparently, the only way to update Win7 is with a larger Security Rollup which includes god knows what else.

Why no stand-alone patch for Win 7? Here is a list of current OS patches:

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....aspx?q=4012598

[momaka]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Now only if Windows 10 had this ability to make Windows Update stay dead when I tell it to, I would be upgrading to it.

There's more (negatives) to Windows 10 than just the Automatic Updates. For one, it sends who knows what kind of personal data back to MS. With Windows 10, your PC is basically NOT yours at all.

That aside, at least the Automatic Updates in Windows 10 are not as irritating (dare I say even somewhat unnoticeable), unlike in previous versions of Windows. So for Windows 10, I don't mind the updates that much - at least on the PCs we have at work. If I got a PC with Win 10 on it, I probably wouldn't use it for anything more than an internet browser. All of my important documents and files are to remain on my Win XP PCs.

[grss1982]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

People still trust & use windows update?

I certainly don't. Just install and then turn off Windows Updates.

Have not had a problem or a even virus with my current Windows 7 installation since 2013.

Now only if Windows 10 had this ability to make Windows Update stay dead when I tell it to, I would be upgrading to it.

[Topcat]

Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

People still trust & use windows update?

[TELVM]

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