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**shadow** · 02-02-2008, 03:50 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Sounds pretty nice to me! Man that PC would absolutely kill my current one.

Sorry, I would not have a clue about the motherboard. Only thing I don't really like about it is the placement of the floppy drive connector. I hate it when they put it there because it can be a long reach to the floppy drive if you have a full tower case and floppy cable don't tend to be long. However I think that is quite a minor point.

**zandrax** · 02-02-2008, 06:50 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by grss1982

AMD X2 4000+ AND MSI K9N Neo-F V3 (http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...-F_V3&class=mb)

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AND yeah I know the Nforce 560 seems old, but still it seems to be really kick ass for me. IT ROCKS!!!!

Take note though that I just went from a Pentium 4 2.6 GHZ 800 FSB with HT to this combo below. It was a real "WTF!!!? moment" when I took my new baby for a spin. DAMN I did'nt know dual cores where this fast????

The 560 is fine, the 560 SLI is not: the latter is an old nForce 4 SLI renamed, but problems still persist.
Yours is the 560 "original", so there shouldn't be any trouble.

The Athlon is both faster and more responsive than your old Pentium 4: if your run a heavy program on one core, the second is free and it won't prevent you from running other tasks. IMHO responsiveness is the biggest advantage of dual cores.

Originally posted by grss1982

BTW, did I make a good decision on the Mobo?

I think so.

Zandrax

**grss1982** · 02-02-2008, 08:30 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

@ shadow & Zandrax: thanks for the comments.

DAMN, this early I'm starting to regret my purchase, since I got the rig right now, and was wondering, why I'm getting 50 C or higher on idle, according to the nTune utlity. Ntune utlity is also showing just one core. Also I just checked in the bios, the same.

A peculiar thing also is that the heatsink is hot to the touch, IIRC aren't Brisbanes very cool at stock?

ALSO i don't knoe of if this is signiicant, but I did not install the AMD CPU Driver.

thanks for any help.

**gonzo0815** · 02-02-2008, 09:24 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Well, dual proc are using typically doubled amount of power

, even if this is somehow reduced by internal power saving techniques.

They are cool, but not in absolute numbers, more in a relative comparing with older proc`s.

From my point of view, you need a decent HSF and some adequate airflow within your case.

I would recommend the RightMark CPU Clock Utility (RMClock), for setting up Cool & Quiet.

**grss1982** · 02-03-2008, 01:39 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by gonzo0815

Well, dual proc are using typically doubled amount of power

, even if this is somehow reduced by internal power saving techniques.

They are cool, but not in absolute numbers, more in a relative comparing with older proc`s.

From my point of view, you need a decent HSF and some adequate airflow within your case.

I would recommend the RightMark CPU Clock Utility (RMClock), for setting up Cool & Quiet.

Thanks for the info, gonzo. I'll try that utlity u mentioned as well.

Anyways I was under the impression that dual cores nowadays were "cool running."

Although I think I was juts spoiled by my p4 2.6 "C" which run stock at 35C idle and 48C load.

Also, Im planning to put a fan on the heatsink below the processor. I've only just noticed that this board is the single chipset design not the more common north-south combo.

In addtion, I'm gonna get on of those fan adaptors sold here in my country, I'll try using a 120mm fan on the processor heatsink, maybe that might help cool it down. PLUS a dose of Artic Silver. If all else fails, I'll go for a new HSF. ;-)

**bgavin** · 02-03-2008, 10:23 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

The AMD 4000+ appears to have a thermal design capacity of 85 watts. The similar Core2Duo is the E6600 rated at 65w.

Both of these are a long way down from the 130w Pentium-D. I think 50C is awfully high for this AMD. Check for sufficient Arctic Silver between the chip and HSF.

**grss1982** · 02-03-2008, 06:20 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by bgavin

The AMD 4000+ appears to have a thermal design capacity of 85 watts. The similar Core2Duo is the E6600 rated at 65w.

Both of these are a long way down from the 130w Pentium-D. I think 50C is awfully high for this AMD. Check for sufficient Arctic Silver between the chip and HSF.

NO AS, just used the thermal pad/compound that came with the cooler.

**grss1982** · 02-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

ALSO, I just realized now that I think I'm pushing my PSU to the limit. Its actually a 20-pin ATX PSU that uses a 20 to 24-pin converter, AND its does not have Dual 12V Rails!!!!

Could this be causing heat-related issues as well????

**zandrax** · 02-04-2008, 07:46 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by grss1982

Its actually a 20-pin ATX PSU that uses a 20 to 24-pin converter, AND its does not have Dual 12V Rails!!!!

This could cause instability, not more heat: what model is it? Read its combined 12 v rating: it should be at least 10-12 amperes just to be safe.

Zandrax

**grss1982** · 02-04-2008, 09:42 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by zandrax

This could cause instability, not more heat: what model is it? Read its combined 12 v rating: it should be at least 10-12 amperes just to be safe.

Zandrax

Enermax EG-465P-VE

+3.3v = 38A
+5v = 44A
+12v = 20A
-5v = 2A
-12v = 1A
+5Vsb = 2.2A

**grss1982** · 02-04-2008, 10:16 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

NOTE: Using a 20-pin to 24-pin converter. :-)

**zandrax** · 02-04-2008, 11:05 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

I think your Enermax is a powerful psu for Athlon XPs, because they draw a lot from 3.3 and 5 v and these ones are quite beefy: note that their values are peak ones (the sum of all Voltages * Currents is 618 watts, a lot more than the expected continuous 430 W

), so a plausible value can be 15-16 A at 12 v.
It should work fine powering an Athlon X2 and a Geforce 7300, perhaps even a mid level graphic card but not a demanding, high-end one. Since it's a group regulated psu, do expect its 5 v to be a bit higher than nominal and 12 v a bit lower: nothing to be worried if they are within the Atx standard's tolerance (5% on 5 v and 10% on 12 v).
BTW the 20 pin male connector fits easily in the 24 pin female one without the adapter, so this one is more useful as a cable extension than a real adapter.

Zandrax

**grss1982** · 02-04-2008, 12:25 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by zandrax

I think your Enermax is a powerful psu for Athlon XPs, because they draw a lot from 3.3 and 5 v and these ones are quite beefy: note that their values are peak ones (the sum of all Voltages * Currents is 618 watts, a lot more than the expected continuous 430 W

), so a plausible value can be 15-16 A at 12 v.
It should work fine powering an Athlon X2 and a Geforce 7300, perhaps even a mid level graphic card but not a demanding, high-end one. Since it's a group regulated psu, do expect its 5 v to be a bit higher than nominal and 12 v a bit lower: nothing to be worried if they are within the Atx standard's tolerance (5% on 5 v and 10% on 12 v).
BTW the 20 pin male connector fits easily in the 24 pin female one without the adapter, so this one is more useful as a cable extension than a real adapter.

Zandrax

HUH??? Wait a minute I thought the extra 4-pins was for powering a PCI-E video card??? AND If I just use 20-pins wont there be some sort of instablity???

Anyways, thanks for the helpful advice, that made me feel a lot better. I guess my main priority for now is better cooling then. ;-)

BTW @bgavin: It actually says in the box that my processor is the newer brisbane cores that are 65W. "65 W" is highlighted in the box of the processor I bought.

**Per Hansson** · 02-04-2008, 12:48 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Download Core Temp, it displays the real thermistor reading from each core in your CPU

Mainboards frequently misrepresent the CPU temp

http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

Note that Windows will require a clean reinstall if you switch from a single core to a dual core CPU
You should see two processors in your task manager when they are recongized, here is a shot of my Quad Core CPU so you understand;

Attached Files

**bgavin** · 02-04-2008, 02:02 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by grss1982

BTW @bgavin: It actually says in the box that my processor is the newer brisbane cores that are 65W. "65 W" is highlighted in the box of the processor I bought.

Thanks for the update.

The only way to know for sure, is to use the Intel sSpec number. This is unique for each processor, where the model/family group is not. For example, the Core2-Duo E6700 has two different processors, SL9ZF and SL9S7. These reflect different Stepping levels, and could probably reflect changes in the thermal rating.

Overheating is an acute problem, so I do wonder why more builders don't embrace the BTX form factor with a Type-1 fan-heatsink. Intel retails these for $30 on their site, and they are simply massive. I've been searching for BTX cases, and they are nowhere to be found. It seems only the commercial boxes (Dell, et al) are using them. Pity, as they cool very well. Much improved over ATX. There are BTX boards galore on eBay now... brand new, and cheap.

**zandrax** · 02-04-2008, 05:37 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Originally posted by grss1982

HUH??? Wait a minute I thought the extra 4-pins was for powering a PCI-E video card??? AND If I just use 20-pins wont there be some sort of instablity???

The 4 extra pins supplies an auxiliary 12 v to the motherboard and the are mostly needed by the cpu, the PCIe connctor is a 6 or 8 pins one.
The mobo draws the same current from the psu if you connect only the 20 pin or if you split the current on the old and the auxiliary 4 lines, so your system would be unstable in both cases. It's not unstable so you don't have to be worried.

Zandrax

**grss1982** · 02-04-2008, 07:11 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

@Per Hansson: Thanks for the heads up, and yes I do see two separate graphs in my CPU usage history. ;-)

@zandrax: Got it. ;-) AGAIN.....thanks!!!!

@bgavin: I think its really sad that BTX did'nt go mainstream. It was a very promising design in terms of cooling today's current crop of processors, mobos, etc., etc.......

Here's an idea, how about you buy the cheapest BTX system that Dell has or better yet find yourself a used Dell using the BTX form factor, AND then GUT ITS COMPONENTS and replace it with your own. ;-)

Yeah, I know its a lame idea. LOLZ!!!

**grss1982** · 02-05-2008, 10:23 AM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

OK. Someone told me to use core temp in monitoring the voltages AND..............

............WTF!?

Why are there two temps of two cores with the "Core Temp" and just one temp on the MSI Utility??? Also take note what appears on the MSI utility is also the same temp that appears in the bios.

@Per Hansson: BTW, which one should I be inclined to believe, Core Temp or the MSI Utility? ALSO Thanx for the heads up on Core Temp. ;-)

@zandrax: This one's for you :

Readings on my PSU through the Bios then through MSI Utility. :-) Appreantly you were right. High +5v and low +12v. I pretty much suck at math though, so I'm not sure about this statement of yours: (5% on 5 v and 10% on 12 v)

**Bookworm** · 02-05-2008, 01:36 PM

Re: My Proc-Mobo Combo Choice......

Y'know.. I wonder if the MSI utility is _adding_ the temperatures together, or something similar.

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