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  • Topcat
    The Boss Stooge
    • Oct 2003
    • 16956
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    #1

    Macintosh II Ressurection

    Things were a little slow around the shop today, so I figured I'd tinker around with this Macintosh II that was given to me a couple weeks ago. It quit working (would no longer power up) in 1996, at which time they switched over to the PC platform. This old Mac has sat in the dank cold basement of a 100yr old storefront building for a local realtor's office ever since...so you can imagine what it was like down there....

    I know nothing of Mac's other than the hundreds of G5 iMac and G4 eMac's I've recapped...... I plugged it in, pressed power, it wouldn't do anything....nothing. Common sense says to start in the power supply. Measured the PSU outputs, nothing, not even STBY. I removed it, took the cover off, blew out the almost 30yr old dust bunnies, and had a look... Starting in the primary, things were looking good. Fuses ok, rectifier diodes ok, no bloated/leaking caps, no red flags....so before I really start digging into it, I research the PSU model, which came up with a lot of obscure information on the entire Mac II system..... Apparently, these PSU's do not have standby voltage. When the power button is pressed, the initial powerup signal voltage is supplied by the CMOS battery, and once powered up, the +5v rail takes over and maintains the signal voltage....so I look at the motherboard and see 2x half AA size 3v batteries. One showed 3v, I was in shock that it was still good after all these years and stored in a cold place. The second one was dead as a mackerel... They were soldered to the board, so I cut them both off at the batt, leaving the leads in the board.



    I had nothing like that laying around....but being 3v, a couple CR2032's would do just fine, atleast temporarily... I robbed a couple bad SX270 boards of their batt holders and soldered them in place and stuck new batteries in them.





    ok, not the prettiest....but fine for testing purposes....

    Putting it back together.......the ultimate "bigfoot" HDD, eat your heart out Goontron!! A whopping 80mb SCSI.





    Low & behold, ignition!! The monitor really grumbled and groaned the first few seconds......between the degauss and all those old caps reforming, it made some really cool frankenstein lab noises. It booted right up.

    There is no stripe in the display like the pic shows.... yay for low refresh rates and cameras.

    Whopping 5mb of RAM....


    That concludes today's lesson on how to waste an hour's time on a completely useless machine!!
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  • tvsteve2
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    #2
    Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

    But you had a nice trip back in time to what was an expensive computer then! I found a Compaq win 95 laptop that fired right up and even had office on it but never had been on the internet and ran amazingly fast! TIME WARP!

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    • Compgeke
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      • Feb 2014
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      #3
      Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

      Just a heads up the rest of the motherboard probably will need a recap. Apple's capacitors of that time were utter crap and have a tendency to leak.

      I have a Mac Classic II and a Mac IIcx that both need recaps, just haven't had a chance to buy the caps to do it.

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      • stj
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        • Dec 2009
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        #4
        Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

        most of the old mac's i'v seen are all tantalum.

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        • Topcat
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          • Oct 2003
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          #5
          Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

          Originally posted by stj
          most of the old mac's i'v seen are all tantalum.
          There are a few axial lytics, all nichicon. Don't remember the series, but were 470uF 16v. None appeared to be leaking, but we know how that goes around Badcaps.net....thanks for the heads-up compgeek. The caps in the PSU were all UCC.
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          • Topcat
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            While I was at it, I tried out the printer. The ribbon is dried out, print was very light. I doubt you can even get a replacement for it anymore....but it did print!!

            Some MS word doc that was on the system....





            Glare reducer cleaned up. This system must have been near a window when it was used, much of the plastic has the classic UV yellowing...the glare reducer was the worst.

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            • stj
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              #7
              Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

              maybe sticky this attachement someplace.
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              • RJARRRPCGP
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                • Jul 2004
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                #8
                Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                Originally posted by Compgeke
                Just a heads up the rest of the motherboard probably will need a recap. Apple's capacitors of that time were utter crap and have a tendency to leak.
                Probably at least better than the G5 era. I would think that by the time they bulged and/or leaked, they would be at least about 20 years old!

                The Nichicon caps in G5s (and possibly G4s) have a tendency to bulge and leak within a few years. (Or at best, 6 years)
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                • lti
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                  • May 2011
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                  #9
                  Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                  The caps that leak are surface mount electrolytics. I don't see any on that board.

                  The G4 and G5 would have Nichicon HM and HN series caps.

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                  • Topcat
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                    #10
                    Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                    Originally posted by lti
                    The G4 and G5 would have Nichicon HM and HN series caps.
                    ....or UCC KZJ....or Rubycon MCZ.... I've recapped hundreds of those boards.
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                    • Compgeke
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                      #11
                      Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                      Originally posted by RJARRRPCGP
                      Probably at least better than the G5 era. I would think that by the time they bulged and/or leaked, they would be at least about 20 years old!
                      Yeah, they did last a while. I know the IIfx, IIcx, IIci, Classic II and a few other random models suffer from bad motherboard caps. The LC and LC II suffer from bad power supply caps. Interestingly the SE I picked up tonight works fine sans the Miniscribe hard drive.

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                      • BigTroll
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                        • Sep 2010
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                        #12
                        Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                        Originally posted by Compgeke
                        Yeah, they did last a while. I know the IIfx, IIcx, IIci, Classic II and a few other random models suffer from bad motherboard caps. The LC and LC II suffer from bad power supply caps. Interestingly the SE I picked up tonight works fine sans the Miniscribe hard drive.
                        Yeah I had to heat my psu up with a space heater or the lcii wouldn't boot I found leaking elnas out the bottom and replaced the elnas With nippon kys been fine ever since I also treated it to a tantalum recap
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                        • BigTroll
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                          Oh BTW nice thread, seeing TC work on a vintage mac is heart warming and priceless. does anyone happen to have a good working SE/30 motherboard I have 2 SE/30s and I recaped both boards but SCSI does not work on either board don't know what happened.
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                          • Meall
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                            • Oct 2015
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                            #14
                            Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                            Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I have a Mac II showing similar symptoms. One of the two soldered batteries is showing 3V and the other nothing. When started up, I hear the "dead" sound. What would be the best solution to replace the batteries on the cheap?

                            I looked on eBay but not really sure if it worth what I found. Maybe there's better place to find replacements.

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                            • stj
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                              • Dec 2009
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                              #15
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                              they are ½AA 3v lithiums i think - wire ended.
                              you can get them, but you can also get then without wires and buy a pair of holders.
                              probably cheaper that way.

                              there is no bodge for this, you need those big cells.
                              what's written on the old ones?
                              Last edited by stj; 10-17-2015, 03:50 PM.

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                              • goontron
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                                You could run netBSD on it....
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                                • Meall
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                                  Originally posted by stj
                                  they are ½AA 3v lithiums i think - wire ended.
                                  you can get them, but you can also get then without wires and buy a pair of holders.
                                  probably cheaper that way.

                                  there is no bodge for this, you need those big cells.
                                  what's written on the old ones?
                                  I wonder if it could be possible to use this socket and CR2032 here? they are dirt cheap, and we can get 2032 cheaply on eBay too.

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                                  • stj
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                                    2032 wont last as long though.
                                    if you do want to use 2032's you can salvage the sockets from some old motherboards.

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                                    • Meall
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                                      Originally posted by stj
                                      2032 wont last as long though.
                                      if you do want to use 2032's you can salvage the sockets from some old motherboards.
                                      Ah, I see. Makes sense.

                                      I have a bunch of 3.6V 1/2 AA batteries, sadly this bad guy it using 3.0V.

                                      Sockets for 1/2 AA are easy to find and cheap on eBay. The batteries is something else... They tend to be expensive...

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                                      • stj
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                                        • Dec 2009
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Macintosh II Ressurection

                                        they are sold as camera batteries - so people take the piss with the price.

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