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  • c_hegge
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2009
    • 5219
    • Australia

    #1

    What do you build for the average end user?

    I'm sure most of us have had to build a PC fot an average end user at one time or another, and if you work at a computer shop like I do, you have to do so weekly or even daily. So, what sort of PCs do you sell to your customers?

    Here's what we usually sell at work (for a mid-range PC)

    CPU: Core i3 2120
    RAM: 4GB Kingston DDR3
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3
    HDD: 1TB (usualy seagate, but sometimes WD)
    Case: In Win Z583 (With bundled 400W In Win Power Man PSU)
    Optical: DVD Burner (Usually Samsung or Sony)
    OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

    For a Budget PC, we use:

    CPU: Pentium G850
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2-B3
    HDD: 500GB
    Case: In Win EM-035

    The other parts are the same as the mid-range PC. No one around here ever buys high end stuff (well, almost never. We might sell one or two quad core systems per year).
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  • Junk Parts
    Court Jester
    • Jun 2006
    • 8953
    • USA

    #2
    Re: What do you build for the average end user?

    I only built for family and friends. What ever I could make work is what they got. Most were 1ghz or so P4 Dells with around 500mb ram, +/- 500Gb HD, CD burner. I did a few with DVD burners. The OS of choice at the time was Xp Pro. I don't build anymore. It got to be too much of a PITA having to deal with the same busted up OS caused by the same stupid people.
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    • acstech
      GrumpyModerator
      • Jul 2007
      • 1432
      • USA

      #3
      Re: What do you build for the average end user?

      I honestly don't get too many of these. Most are established customers, that are fed up with their Emachines or similar junk.

      What, specifically, I sell them varies with their needs. Usually it's some sort of:

      Gigabyte UD3 type motherboard
      Lots of memory of a known quality brand (It's cheap enough, load it up!)
      SeaSonic PSU
      Seagate HD (subject to change if they start giving me problems, so far they've been OK since 7200.12)
      Sony DVD-RW
      OS varies according to need.

      Of course this donesn't compete for price / performance with the likes of Dell and so on, but at least they're getting good quality parts, without the BS of sending it back for service.

      Sometimes if their needs aren't that severe, such as looking up email, office work, or the like, I'll sell a Mini-ITX system, with the same type components as above if possible. Usually these will have some sort of low power processor, such as the AMD E-350.
      Last edited by acstech; 02-17-2012, 10:55 AM.
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      • Newbie2
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Sep 2005
        • 885
        • Canada

        #4
        Re: What do you build for the average end user?

        I usually only build for my family, however the last PC I built for an average end user (only uses Internet, e-mail, and MS Office applications) that could afford a little more than the average PC was this:

        CPU: AMD FX-8120 3.1GHz eight-core processor (Socket AM3+)
        RAM: 4GB A-DATA XPG Gaming Series DDR3-1600 RAM (2x2GB dual channel; only put 4GB in because of 32-bit XP)
        Motherboard: ASUS M5A97 AM3+ motherboard
        Graphics card: PowerColor AMD Radeon HD6770 1GB GDDR5 PCI-Express x16 2.1 video card
        Sound card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum PCI (I know that's old, but they wanted to keep their old sound card)
        Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda ST2000DL003 2TB 5900RPM SATA-3 Hard Drive
        PSU: Antec Basiq BP430 430W Power Supply
        OS: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition SP3 32-bit OEM
        Case: Cooler Master Elite 310 black/blue mid-tower case

        My build specifications for users will really vary based on their needs and how much they're willing to spend. With the PC I detailed above, it flies through Windows XP.
        Last edited by Newbie2; 02-17-2012, 11:11 AM.
        My gaming PC:
        AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition 3.3GHz Six-Core CPU (Socket AM3)
        ASUS M4A77TD AMD 770 AM3 Motherboard
        PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCI-Express x16 3.0 Graphics Card
        G.SKILL Value Series 16GB DDR3-1333 RAM (4x4GB dual channel)
        TOSHIBA DT01ACA200 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD (x2)
        WD Caviar Green WD20EARX 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD
        ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channel PCI sound card
        Antec HCG-750M 750W ATX12V v2.32 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply
        Antec Three Hundred Mid-Tower Case
        Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
        Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit

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        • Koda
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Aug 2011
          • 317
          • Macedonia

          #5
          Re: What do you build for the average end user?

          I have three popular builds:

          light user (browsing and office work)

          Athlon II 24X
          2 gigs DDR3
          HDD 500gb
          MB what ever I have on hand with on board VGA (I prefer MSI)
          el cheapo Delux PSU 250W real power (700w labeled LOL)

          Medium user (casual gamer)

          core i3 series SB
          4gigs DDR3
          Ati radeon 5770/6770 or Nvidia gts 450/460
          MB whatever that will fit
          PSU CM Elite 400w

          Gamer

          core I5 2500k
          8/16gb DDR3 - per customer demand
          Ati Radeon 6850/6870 or Nvidia GTX 570/ 560TI
          again any mb hat will fit
          PSU Corsair CX600

          People here don't care what MB they us as long as its cheap and rarely anyone overclocks, so no high end coolers, water cooling or cool gaming towers. And OS of choice is Win7 Starter
          Last edited by Koda; 02-17-2012, 02:22 PM.
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          • Scenic
            o.O
            • Sep 2007
            • 2642
            • Germany

            #6
            Re: What do you build for the average end user?

            Budget office/web/general purpose box:

            CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 240 (2.80GHz, AM3) or X2 250 (3GHz)
            Board: ASRock 760GM-GS3 (AMD 760G) or Biostar A780L3G (AMD 760G) .. trying to avoid any nvidia chipset based crap..
            RAM: 4GB (2x 2GB) DDR3-1333 kit. Whatever is cheap and from a known brand (Kingston, Mushkin, A-Data, Patriot, Transcend, Crucial, ..)
            HDD: 320-500GB WD Caviar Blue / Seagate / Hitachi
            ODD: single DVD-RW drive, Usually LG, but increasingly Sony-NEC and Lite-On
            Graphics: not needed (onboard Radeon HD3000 series)
            Case: Tacens Prior (link for pics) or Sharkoon Vaya
            PSU: usually a Cougar A300 (300W 80+ Bronze) or A350

            I've been experimenting with the Llano platform (socket FM1) now.
            The boards are a bit more expensive (usually around 15eur), the CPUs about the same as the Athlon II X2's

            Llano system would have these two things instead of the above:
            CPU: AMD A4-3300 (2x 2.5GHz) or the A4-3400 (2x 2.7GHz)
            Board: Gigabyte A55M-DS2

            Those have integrated Radeon HD6410D graphics, which is enough in most cases. If not, there's a PCIe slot or the somewhat beefier A6-3500

            My main problem with those builds is always the HDD (because of the thailand flood crap).

            The Athlon II X2 system adds up to about 215eur (283usd) .. but that's without a HDD...
            The cheapest HDD in the 320-640GB range I can currently get is a Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 500GB (HDS721050CLA362), which costs a whopping 62eur / ~82usd.
            The only other "cheap" alternative is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 320GB (ST320DM000) for 44eur / ~58usd (a bit more expensive per GB)

            So in the end, it's always gonna be around 250-275eur (roughly 330-360usd) for the base Athlon II X2 system without an OS, or about 275-300eur (roughly 360-400usd) for the Llano version.

            If it wasn't for the HDD prices, I could upgrade other stuff with the money in the budget (which is usually ~350eur, sometimes around 400)

            Most of the "Average Joe systems" I build are some slight variation of the above. For absolute rock-bottom stuff, I'm using dualcore Atom boards with 2GB RAM, sometimes recycling used HW leftovers from upgrades.
            Higher end stuff varies completely on what the customer wants to do and what the budget is. Gaming systems are kinda rare, but I've recently cobbled a Phenom II X6 with 16GB RAM, a 64GB SSD + 1TB HDD and a HD6870 together..
            Last edited by Scenic; 02-17-2012, 03:26 PM.

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            • Newbie2
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Sep 2005
              • 885
              • Canada

              #7
              Re: What do you build for the average end user?

              Originally posted by Koda
              And OS of choice is Win7 Starter
              Windows 7 Starter?

              Why use something that only comes on low-end netbooks? I don't think end users want an operating system where they can't even change the wallpaper...
              My gaming PC:
              AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition 3.3GHz Six-Core CPU (Socket AM3)
              ASUS M4A77TD AMD 770 AM3 Motherboard
              PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCI-Express x16 3.0 Graphics Card
              G.SKILL Value Series 16GB DDR3-1333 RAM (4x4GB dual channel)
              TOSHIBA DT01ACA200 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD (x2)
              WD Caviar Green WD20EARX 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD
              ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channel PCI sound card
              Antec HCG-750M 750W ATX12V v2.32 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply
              Antec Three Hundred Mid-Tower Case
              Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
              Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit

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              • lti
                Badcaps Legend
                • May 2011
                • 2547
                • United States

                #8
                Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                Originally posted by c_hegge
                Optical: DVD Burner (Usually Samsung or Sony)
                Originally posted by acstech
                Sony DVD-RW
                Originally posted by Scenic
                ODD: ... increasingly Sony-NEC
                I guess everyone likes replacing optical drives after a few months.

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                • Scenic
                  o.O
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 2642
                  • Germany

                  #9
                  Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                  ^ that would be Samsung
                  As long as you don't go for the rock bottom Sony-NEC models, they're usually fine.

                  The recent LG's tend to be junk. Ive had 7 drives total now that were DoA, or worked but no drive could read the media burned with them, or they just stopped recognizing any disc all of a sudden after a few weeks. VERY annoying..

                  Kind of a shame.. their older burners (GSA-41xx series) were bulletproof..

                  Comparing a GSA-4167B to a H22NS50 internally, the latter is just a POPJ (piece of plastic junk)
                  Last edited by Scenic; 02-17-2012, 05:41 PM.

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                  • Topcat
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                    • Oct 2003
                    • 16956
                    • United States

                    #10
                    Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                    I haven't built a custom system for someone in several years. The last one I built, the c2d was the cat's ass..... My 'new' system is now 2yrs old....
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                    • ratdude747
                      Black Sheep
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 17136
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                      Originally posted by Topcat
                      I haven't built a custom system for someone in several years. The last one I built, the c2d was the cat's ass..... My 'new' system is now 2yrs old....
                      it's fine, my "newest" system is a laptop that was made in mid 2008 (Dell Latitude D630)... My newest desktop isn't far off with a mid 2007 mainboard (intel dp35dp)... It mostly works for me...
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                      • Koda
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 317
                        • Macedonia

                        #12
                        Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                        Originally posted by Newbie2
                        Windows 7 Starter?

                        Why use something that only comes on low-end netbooks? I don't think end users want an operating system where they can't even change the wallpaper...
                        It's dirt cheap. Nobody cares what version of Win7 they use as long as it works
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                        • Koda
                          Badcaps Veteran
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 317
                          • Macedonia

                          #13
                          Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                          Originally posted by Scenic
                          ^ that would be Samsung
                          As long as you don't go for the rock bottom Sony-NEC models, they're usually fine.

                          The recent LG's tend to be junk. Ive had 7 drives total now that were DoA, or worked but no drive could read the media burned with them, or they just stopped recognizing any disc all of a sudden after a few weeks. VERY annoying..

                          Kind of a shame.. their older burners (GSA-41xx series) were bulletproof..

                          Comparing a GSA-4167B to a H22NS50 internally, the latter is just a POPJ (piece of plastic junk)
                          Try upgrading the framework, had many DVD RW's come back to life that way, several of them LG's
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                          • Junk Parts
                            Court Jester
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 8953
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                            I had and LG DVD burner that gave up. After a reflash it worked just fine for another year or so. Give it a try.
                            Now as for this Win7 "Starter" version just how much does it cost? Will it
                            "Become" Win 7 Home Premium if this type of serial is entered?
                            "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
                            Mark Twain

                            "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
                            John Paul Jones

                            There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
                            Rod Serling

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                            • ncovert
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                              • Feb 2011
                              • 291
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                              I work with Intel and AMD based systems.

                              Budget Intel PC:
                              CPU: Pentium G850
                              RAM: 4Gb DDR3
                              HDD: 1Tb

                              Mid range Intel PC:
                              CPU: Core i3 2100
                              RAM: 4Gb DDR3
                              HDD: 1Tb
                              Chipset: H61

                              High end Intel PC:
                              CPU: Core i5 2500
                              RAM: 6Gb
                              HDD: 2Tb

                              Budget AMD PC:
                              CPU: AMD A4 3400
                              RAM: 4Gb
                              HDD: 500Gb

                              Mid range AMD PC:
                              CPU: AMD A6 3500
                              RAM: 4Gb
                              HDD: 1Tb

                              High end AMD PC:
                              CPU: AMD FX 6100
                              RAM: 6Gb
                              HDD: 1.5Tb

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                              • Newbie2
                                Badcaps Veteran
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 885
                                • Canada

                                #16
                                Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                                Originally posted by Koda
                                It's dirt cheap. Nobody cares what version of Win7 they use as long as it works
                                How much do you acquire Windows 7 Starter for? Windows 7 Starter is an OEM-only product. However, where I am the minimum version they sell is Home Premium (OEM and retail).

                                And about "nobody cares", in my experience the people I know who bought low-end netbooks with Starter upgraded them to Home Premium, because they wanted basic features like changing the wallpaper that Starter did not have. However, I don't know if people in Macedonia (your country) think the same. I'd rather use Windows XP than run Windows 7 Starter, honestly.

                                Originally posted by Junk Parts
                                Will it "Become" Win 7 Home Premium if this type of serial is entered?
                                No. Unlike the Vista install DVDs which installed the version depending on the serial you put in during the installation, the 7 install DVDs are specific to their version (Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, etc.)
                                Last edited by Newbie2; 02-18-2012, 11:17 AM.
                                My gaming PC:
                                AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition 3.3GHz Six-Core CPU (Socket AM3)
                                ASUS M4A77TD AMD 770 AM3 Motherboard
                                PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCI-Express x16 3.0 Graphics Card
                                G.SKILL Value Series 16GB DDR3-1333 RAM (4x4GB dual channel)
                                TOSHIBA DT01ACA200 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD (x2)
                                WD Caviar Green WD20EARX 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD
                                ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channel PCI sound card
                                Antec HCG-750M 750W ATX12V v2.32 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply
                                Antec Three Hundred Mid-Tower Case
                                Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
                                Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit

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                                • Scenic
                                  o.O
                                  • Sep 2007
                                  • 2642
                                  • Germany

                                  #17
                                  Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                                  Originally posted by Newbie2
                                  No. Unlike the Vista install DVDs which installed the version depending on the serial you put in during the installation, the 7 install DVDs are specific to their version (Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, etc.)
                                  Not quite.. The Win7 DVDs are all the same (disc content wise), except for one text file called ei.cfg that tells it which edition it is.

                                  There's a tool to remove the file from a disc image (.iso) without modifying anything else. Once you did that, the patched Win7 DVD will ask you which version you want to install, just like Vista did. Very handy to have..

                                  http://www.mydigitallife.info/create...moval-utility/

                                  And if you don't feel like making an image of your Win7 DVD, you can download the official (unmodified) Win7 SP1 DVDs in both 32 and 64Bit directly from a MS-reseller (Digital River).
                                  http://www.mydigitallife.info/offici...digital-river/

                                  Which edition (Home Premium, Professional, ..) you chose doesn't really matter if you're going to patch it.
                                  Just the language should match. (you can actually install language packs afterwards, but it'll leave part of the OS in the original install-DVD-language, which is kind of annoying..)

                                  Edit: oh and in case someone hasn't figured that out yet.. The key for a specific vista/win7 edition works on both 32 and 64Bit.
                                  (i.e.: If you bought Win7 Home Premium 32Bit, you can use the above link to get a unmodified 64Bit Home Premium DVD and use the "32bit-key" with it)
                                  Last edited by Scenic; 02-18-2012, 02:47 PM.

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                                  • Koda
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                                    • Aug 2011
                                    • 317
                                    • Macedonia

                                    #18
                                    Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                                    Originally posted by Junk Parts
                                    Now as for this Win7 "Starter" version just how much does it cost? Will it
                                    "Become" Win 7 Home Premium if this type of serial is entered?
                                    I acquire Starter for about 50$ and home basic is double the price.

                                    http://www.set.com.mk/setClient/prod...rand=Microsoft


                                    Originally posted by Newbie2
                                    How much do you acquire Windows 7 Starter for? Windows 7 Starter is an OEM-only product. However, where I am the minimum version they sell is Home Premium (OEM and retail).

                                    And about "nobody cares", in my experience the people I know who bought low-end netbooks with Starter upgraded them to Home Premium, because they wanted basic features like changing the wallpaper that Starter did not have. However, I don't know if people in Macedonia (your country) think the same. I'd rather use Windows XP than run Windows 7 Starter, honestly.



                                    No. Unlike the Vista install DVDs which installed the version depending on the serial you put in during the installation, the 7 install DVDs are specific to their version (Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, etc.)
                                    People buy Starter and crack it to unlock extra features.
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                                    • ncovert
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Feb 2011
                                      • 291
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                                      I almost forgot about the MiniPC net-top I have ideas for.

                                      CPU: Intel Atom D525 1.8Ghz Dualcore
                                      RAM: 2Gb or 4Gb of DDR3
                                      HDD: 500Gb+ (up to customer)

                                      This system is NOTHING fancy, but it would be good for like light use (MS office, web browsing) and also takes up a low amount of space.

                                      Case: In Win (I forget model) but it is a Mini ITX tower case with an included 200W PSU

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                                      • brethin
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                                        • Dec 2008
                                        • 1907
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: What do you build for the average end user?

                                        First I ask what they expect (want to do) with the new computer.
                                        Then I ask what they want to spend (the budget).
                                        Then I build what they need for what they want to do normally saving them 25% over some standard system they can get prebuilt.

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