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    #1

    A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

    Yanz asked me to ESR test some of the caps he found in Indonesia market, also to take pics. Here are the results.







    Code:
    Manufacturer Series uf v = ESR in ohm
Chemicon KZG 1500uf 6.3v = .01
Chemicon KZG 1000uf 6.3v = .01
Chemicon KZG 820uf 6.3v = .01
Chemicon KZG 1500uf 6.3v = .00
Chemicon KZG 1000uf 16v = .01
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    Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:19 AM.
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    Code:
    Chemicon KZE 1500uf 16v = .02
Chemicon KY 1000uf 10v = .04
Chemicon KY 1000uf 16v = .03
Chemicon KY 1000uf 25v = .02
Chemicon TMZ 1000uf 6.3v = .04
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    Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:06 AM.
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      #3
      Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market







      Code:
      Nichicon HE 3300uf 16v = .00
Nichicon PL 2200uf 10v = .03
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      Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:07 AM.
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        #4
        Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market







        Code:
        Panasonic FJ 2200uf 6.3v = .00
Panasonic FF 2200uf 6.3v = .01
Panasonic FC 2700uf 6.3v = .02
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        Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:08 AM.
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          #5
          Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market





          Code:
          Rubycon ZL 2200uf 10v = .01
Rubycon ZL 1000uf 16v = .01
Rubycon YXG 2200uf 16v = .02
Rubycon MHE 1000uf 50v = .25
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          Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:09 AM.
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            #6
            Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market





            Code:
            Sanyo WG 3300uf 6.3v = .01
Sanyo WG 1500uf 6.3v = .01
Sanyo ?? 1500uf 6.3v = .03
Sanyo WG 1500uf 16v = .01
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            Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:10 AM.
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              Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market





              Code:
              Chemicon? TMZ 1000uf 6.3v = .04
Samsung SSL 1000uf 25v = .02
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              Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:15 AM.
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                #8
                Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                Code:
                Manufacturer Series uf v = ESR in ohm
Panasonic FJ 2200uf 6.3v = .00
Panasonic FF 2200uf 6.3v = .01
Panasonic FC 2700uf 6.3v = .02
Chemicon KZG 1500uf 6.3v = .01
Chemicon KZG 1000uf 6.3v = .01
Chemicon KZG 820uf 6.3v = .01
Chemicon KZG 1500uf 6.3v = .00
Chemicon KZG 1000uf 16v = .01
Chemicon KZE 1500uf 16v = .02
Chemicon KY 1000uf 10v = .04
Chemicon KY 1000uf 16v = .03
Chemicon KY 1000uf 25v = .02
Chemicon TMZ 1000uf 6.3v = .04
Rubycon ZL 2200uf 10v = .01
Rubycon ZL 1000uf 16v = .01
Rubycon YXG 2200uf 16v = .02
Rubycon MHE 1000uf 50v = .25
Sanyo WG 3300uf 6.3v = .01
Sanyo WG 1500uf 6.3v = .01
Sanyo ?? 1500uf 6.3v = .03
Sanyo WG 1500uf 16v = .01
Nichicon HE 3300uf 16v = .00
Nichicon PL 2200uf 10v = .03
Samsung SSL 1000uf 25v = .02
Chemicon? TMZ 1000uf 6.3v = .04
                Last edited by willawake; 10-22-2006, 09:18 AM.
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                  #9
                  Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                  Originally posted by willawake
                  Rubycon MHE 1000uf 50v = .25
                  That's rather high, and coming from a Rubycon?! I don't know a lot about ESR, but looking at the other cap ESR tests, this one is MUCH higher than the others! Are you sure it wasn't a Rulycon? Or perhaps it wasn't a low ESR cap...
                  You know there's something wrong when you open your PC and it has vented Rubycons...

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                    #10
                    Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                    i dont think it was a low esr cap.

                    funny one sanyo omit the series designation
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                      #11
                      Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                      the "sanyo" on the right does not have the typical vent.K or overlapping X

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                        #12
                        Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                        The Rubycon YXG 2200/16 is a sure fake - the font is a give away. I'm not sure about the Rubycon ZLs, but one has lighter lettering than the other. The Panasonic FF has reasonable ESR, but I've never been able to find datasheets for it, and it also caused some mild flakiness when I used it for Vcore bypass - I'd avoid the FF series. The Chemicon KZG 1000/6.3 has a slightly suspect vent pattern, the others look OK.
                        Last edited by linuxguru; 10-23-2006, 02:32 AM. Reason: Addendum

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                          #13
                          Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                          Seems all caps are old series in Indonesia market. Any Samxon are available in there?
                          My SAMXON Capacitors Database HERE!!

                          X-CON is a new brand for SAMXON's Polymer Capacitors.

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                            #14
                            Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                            Willawake, thank a bunch for publishing the result and pics here. These two week are very busy for me im unable to reply promptly to any thread or even to my inbox mail.


                            I would like to get some comments for the 0.00 ohm result. Is the esr too low or they're shorted caps?
                            days are so short when you actually do something..

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                              #15
                              Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                              Originally posted by linuxguru
                              The Rubycon YXG 2200/16 is a sure fake - the font is a give away.
                              Yep, I started a disucussion about fake 2200uf/16v yxg here: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=721

                              Now that I have the real 2200/16v 12.5x25mm YXG caps from Delta 120W PSUs, so i can see the 10x23mm YXG is a total fake and of unreasonable case dimension. One would suspect it is a relabelled YXG 1200uF/16v. If you don't mind, Willawake, can you measure the capacitance of that 2200uf YXG? It would be too good too be true to have 2200uf/16v 10mm caps with esr = 0.02ohm I'm surprised that the cap are indeed low esr.

                              Originally posted by Big Pope
                              Seems all caps are old series in Indonesia market. Any Samxon are available in there?
                              Nope. I see no availability of Samxon caps here. But out of topic, I just found samxon caps on my creative speakers (Inspire 2.1 2100) bought in 2004. There are some Samxon (black) caps and Baylun(?) caps in the subwoofer. The sound quality is still good but that's after I replaced a bad 2200uf/25v Baylun caps on the power adapter brick with a Nichicon HE 3300uf/16v. I don't think Baylun caps is a good caps.

                              I see good suply of SMT lytics from Panasonic but i don't know what series nor do i care. The most recent i found is Chemicon KZJ, too bad it's value is only 1800uF 1500uf 16v 10mm. I would like to have alternative here for my 10mm/3300uf/6.3v Sanyo WG (and samxon GC of course, if after 1.5 year it prooved to have the longevity ).


                              Originally posted by Tom41
                              That's rather high, and coming from a Rubycon?! I don't know a lot about ESR, but looking at the other cap ESR tests, this one is MUCH higher than the others! Are you sure it wasn't a Rulycon? Or perhaps it wasn't a low ESR cap...
                              Actually it's not 1000uF but is a 100uF/50v Rubycon MHE. 250 miliohm is not bad for that small capacitance. For comparison of the small caps in my collection:

                              Panasonic FC 100uF/35v = 117 miliohm
                              Chemicon LXJ 100uF/25v = ~130 miliohm
                              Rubycon YXF 220uF/6.3v = 400 miliohm
                              Rubycon YXF 100uF/50v = 250 miliohm
                              Chemicon KMF 100uF/35v = 333 miliohm

                              I agree though that MHE is not that low esr type. It's maybe a bit better than UCC KMF or on par with YXF but is worse than FC or LXJ. As far as i know, small capacitance YXF are found on some good brand PSU like Newton and Acbel. I want to ask why there's still no datasheet for MHE (but i know the answer: there's no answer ). Caps manufacturer representatives should join the badcaps forum and answer lot of our question .
                              days are so short when you actually do something..

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                                #16
                                Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                                the "sanyo" on the right does not have the typical vent.K or overlapping X
                                Yup. That's why i need to know the esr of it. It's a sanyo WG 1500uF 16v 10mm. There's no document i can find to explain why sanyo use different top pattern on this one. I don't think it's a fake though. But i also can't be sure if it's 100% original. The 0.01 miliohm is a nice result that add to my confidence it's not a fake. I don't want to recommend a fake caps on any Indonesian forums.
                                days are so short when you actually do something..

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                                  #17
                                  Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                                  I have run into the Sanyo without the series designation.
                                  They are the WX series.
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                                    #18
                                    Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                                    Always intersting to see `real` ESR values on new Caps.
                                    The Panasonic FJ 2200uf, Chemicon KZG 1500uf 6.3v and Nichicon HE would have me thinking the Cap had shorted.
                                    It`s getting to a stage where we need a fourth digit on the Bob Parker ESR Meter !

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                                      #19
                                      Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                                      Pretty sure the "TMZ" is Samsung and they've just changed the color for the model/series.
                                      - Samsung isn't real big on making tech docs generally available or keeping them up to date. (Know from looking up memory chips.)

                                      Samsung TMZ ratings are close to Nichicon PM series.
                                      https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...3b23a95b6a.pdf

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                                      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
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                                      - Dr Seuss
                                      -
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                                        #20
                                        Re: A Look at Caps for Indonesia Market

                                        While soldering I happened to notice one of my Sanyo caps looks different. I soldered in all my other 1500uf 6.3v caps so I couldn't photograph them but they look exactly like the one with the correct logo.
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