The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

Either Chemicon or Sam Young.
Sam Young sometimes makes caps for Chemicon.
They 'stole' Chemicon's logo for a while until Chemicon files a suit.
Then for a while Samyoung just added a dot in the middle of the shield before making their own logo.
http://www.samyoung.co.kr/sub_info/history_eng.asp
http://www.samyoung.co.kr/sub_produc...nfo_list_s.asp

The Panny without logos might be straight Matsushita instead of Panasonic.
Matsushita is the parent company.
They have made caps from time to time but they don't do retail [only sell direct to manufacturers] so they might feel they don't need a series mark as they are essentially made-to-order and bypass the normal distribution network.
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[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

Are these SMD's really Chemi-Con? There is like a their logo, but it's very small and the 8R/8N don't seem to be names of series.

I also founded some low Panasonic caps without serie label at all. Any idea which ones these could be?


Thanks.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

What are old Phillips caps from begining of 90's like? I also found Roederstein caps, as I read here they are part of Vishay now, but are these old ones better than now or total craps too?

15-20 + year old caps and very likely dried out by now.

[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

Found Panasonic HFG caps, FC seems to be replacement for those. Discontiunation notice could serve as datasheet.

What are old Phillips caps from begining of 90's like? I also found Roederstein caps, as I read here they are part of Vishay now, but are these old ones better than now or total craps too?

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

I am not trying to be ignorant

Yet you are succeeding.
Google is your friend.

[Read the last page:]

[370forlife]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

People don't generally recommend sanyo as they are much harder to get. The reason why people haven't recommended suncon is because most people don't know suncon = sanyo, also sanyo still has thousands of sanyo stock to sell off before you start seeing suncon.

[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

I am not trying to be ignorant, I'd just like to see somebody saying he has only (or mostly) good experiences under some conditions. I did not read whole Bad Caps forum, bud up to date I haven't seen anybody actually using or at least recommending Sun Electronics caps. I haven't seen a system using them. Even Sanyo caps were not widely spread and only minority people used them (compared to Chemi-Con, Rubycon or Nichicon caps). And even some people who I think have far better knowledge about capacitors probably did not ever hear about Sun Electronics.

So sorry if I am annoying, but even (or maybe due to) I have the luck I was born right after the 40 years of communism here in central Europe, I tend to double-check or tripple check. At least in area which I know at least something about. For that reason I'd like somebody to confirm your statements - yes, those are statements until it's proved that's how you say. In the real world economy I tend to not believe companies are good and care about customers so much because I've usually seen the oposite. So I won't base my potencial buy decision on hope wheter some company continues producing good stuff after they divorced from mother firm (with good reputation) thus they are not under watch and can do whatever they want.

Anway, I've got a reply that the (ME-)DX series is not in produce for long time and (ME-)WX is replacement. It can give us some info but I still asked for the datasheet of DX if they have it somewhere.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

Those examples are not the same. - Those examples are OEM situations.
This was not an OEM situation. - One company split into two.
They are made by the same people in the same factory as they have been for several decades and they are STILL a Japanese company, not some Chinese or Thai crap paddlers.
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I'm not going to explain it again.
If you want to remain blissfully ignorant then go right ahead.
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[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

They are called SUNCON.
They -ARE- SANYO.
I thought I explained that already.....
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Before
- Sanyo owned Sun Electric
- Sun Electric made the caps and put SANYO on them.
Now
- Sun Electric owns Sun Electric
- Sun Electric makes the caps and puts SUNCON on them.
~~ Same caps - new name.

It does not prove or disprove anything.

Take Seasonic as an example: the company makes lot of PSU's. Some of them are high-end, some of them are cheap craps even both could share the same design. It's just that some company like Arctic Cooling comes and says "we know you have high-quality PSU's, but what can you do for XX dollars?" And Seasonic goes and makes Fusion. Same design, initially somehow super specs, but we know the PSU has worse components and the worst caps and it will have problems after time.

The same for Delta, the same even for Channel Well Technology. Everyone gets what he pays for. Sanyo paid well. But most experiences tell us Sun Elec. will probably just use the sound of the name and make craps.

I asked for real experiences, wheter the caps are good and are able to sustain load at least acording their specs, better much more and for longer time as known high-quality caps do. But I did not heard about it yet. Nothing against you personally, I just think your trust if based on paper rather than experience is not enough. OST's, TEAPO and others usually have better specs on paper, you know

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

Yeah I digged this info, too, but on Sunelec's website is no mention about DX either.

I'll probably use them on motherboards around PCI slots etc. it should be fine.

ADD// Are the SUNELEC caps any good?

Maybe I'll try and ask them for the DX directly

They are called SUNCON.
They -ARE- SANYO.
I thought I explained that already.....
--
Before
- Sanyo owned Sun Electric
- Sun Electric made the caps and put SANYO on them.
Now
- Sun Electric owns Sun Electric
- Sun Electric makes the caps and puts SUNCON on them.
~~ Same caps - new name.

I also said there is not a data sheet for DX.
The link was so if you needed a data sheet for some other series of 'formerly Sanyo' cap.

Yeah, if you write them they might have a data sheet for DX.
If they do please upload it for other folks.
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[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

I do that all the time (use 2nd hand caps), but only if they are a good brand and series. (Ruby, Panny, Sanyo, Nichicon excluding 2000-2005 HM/MN, Chemi-con excluding KZG and KZJ)

Exactly

[c_hegge]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

but I tend to think its a bad idea to cannibalize caps from other devices and reuse them. Just get new ones, and never have to worry about it again.

I do that all the time (use 2nd hand caps), but only if they are a good brand and series. (Ruby, Panny, Sanyo, Nichicon excluding 2000-2005 HM/MN, Chemi-con excluding KZG and KZJ)

[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

I've come across DX before but I never found a data sheet for them.

Sanyo sold their lytics interests to the subsidiary that was manufacturing them and who is now their own company.
The name is SUN Electronics Industries Corp and the caps are now branded SUNCON.

Yeah I digged this info, too, but on Sunelec's website is no mention about DX either.

I'll probably use them on motherboards around PCI slots etc. it should be fine.

ADD// Are the SUNELEC caps any good?

Maybe I'll try and ask them for the DX directly

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

I've come across DX before but I never found a data sheet for them.

Sanyo sold their lytics interests to the subsidiary that was manufacturing them and who is now their own company.
The name is SUN Electronics Industries Corp and the caps are now branded SUNCON.

~ To stress
- This is who has been making Sanyo lytics all along.
- Only the name on the side of the caps has changed.

Have to go there for data sheets now.
http://www.sunelec.co.jp
http://www.sunelec.co.jp/eng/catalog/catalog02.html
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[Topcat]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

^
I've never heard of DX series either. WG is mostly all I've dealt with in the Sanyo realm. If they aren't fakes, I don't see why they wouldn't be usable in a PSU secondary......but I tend to think its a bad idea to cannibalize caps from other devices and reuse them. Just get new ones, and never have to worry about it again.

[Behemot]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

I've acquired these Sanyo's from some MoBo but I did not find a word about this DX series in Sanyo's old materials at all. However they should be original because there were also WG's...

Does somebody have datasheet of these? Can be used in PSU?

[jpdoe]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

Thanks, PCBONEZ

[PCBONEZ]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

You can only compare caps in the same series that way because of the differences in chemistry and materials between different series.

[jpdoe]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

when looking at can size to improve ESR, is diameter more important than height? Or is it necesary to calculate volume and compare it instead?

[gonzo0815]

Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

No problem, it is a free forum in a free country I have no problem with this way of capacitor selection. In fact i do it sometimes the same way .

But i think it should always be clear, how and why we come to such rules of thumbs, as there are people, which don`t replace their hardware that frequently like we tech nuts do it.
And there are up today many other devices, where SMPS are used, which should last a bit longer or are running extraordinary hot (e.g. TFT`s, AUDIO HIFI, network equipment etc.).