2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

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  • Acesales
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2017
    • 58
    • USA

    #1

    2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

    Hello all, I'm back again with some questions. I have been able to get through a couple previous projects alone, thanks to you folks. I acquired a 55" Insignia NS-55D42NA16 LED TV, built 11-2015. No standby light, I get 168VDC across the filter caps and can chase it through the hot side till I get to the transformer SYEQ2612-T012A. A 4R7 4.7uH inductor snapped and sparked on the board without my help. I did not have any probes on the board at the time. It is LD1 and located between the AV5 RCA inputs. I can see no burnt or damaged areas. Subsequently, when viewing with a FLIR camera that inductor is "pulsing" every second or two and momentarily heats to about 105 deg F. Seems it is going into overcurrent protection? What should the voltage be on the secondary side of the Xfmr? Thanks
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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
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    #2
    Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

    Can we see the pictures of the whole back side of the TV showing how ALL the boards are connected together?
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    • Acesales
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      • Jun 2017
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      #3
      Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

      I removed the bottom speaker enclosure and found this. I have not removed the metal back- it appears the only wire going into the panel enclosure is the LED lighting cable. This is the newest and the lightest model I have worked on- compacted for sure.
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      • Acesales
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        • Jun 2017
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        #4
        Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

        I believe I found a schematic.
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        • Acesales
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          • Jun 2017
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          #5
          Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

          Now this step down converter M3406-ADJ self destructed on it's own. Any ideas?
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          • Acesales
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            • Jun 2017
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            #6
            Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

            I believe this is the circuit for the burned step down converter.
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            • R_J
              Badcaps Legend
              • Jun 2012
              • 9535
              • Canada

              #7
              Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

              You could have a shorted component on the 1.15 volt line that caused the regulator to fail. It is likely that was the part that sparked originally and not the coil.
              Last edited by R_J; 02-19-2018, 09:17 PM.

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
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                #8
                Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                I would remove that burnt IC then check the RESISTANCE between GND and the output where the filter caps are, I.E. CD3~4, to see if it will show very very low resistance or not.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • Acesales
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2017
                  • 58
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                  Test to ground;
                  RUN= infinite
                  FB= 59 ohms
                  SW= 5.4K

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                  • Acesales
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2017
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                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                    The maximum allowable voltage in for the M3406 step down converter is 6.5V. I am measuring 12V after removing the burnt chip. Is it high because there is no load?

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                    • budm
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                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
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                      #11
                      Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                      I expect the input pin to be fed from either 5VSTBY or switched 5V.
                      You may want to trace the input pin to see if it is connected to the 12V power source some how.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • Acesales
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 58
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                        Budm, I misidentified the circuit in question. The problem circuit is actually the 5V STB supply circuit. My schematic is wrong in regards to part ID's. So the MP1470GJ-Z actually burnt. I saw 5 pins, I wonder if the initial spark was a pin burning off.
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                        • Acesales
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                          #13
                          Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                          Pin 1 (GND) is supposed to be ground but I have an inifinite reading to several ground points.....chassis screws?
                          Pin 2 (SW) is shorted to ground. You guys were right.
                          Pin 3 (IN) 5.45K to ground and 0 volts.
                          Pin 4 (FB) trace is damaged.
                          Pin 5 (EN) shows 12VDC.
                          Pin 6 (BST) reads 59.5 ohms to ground.

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                          • Acesales
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2017
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                            #14
                            Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                            More random unidentified circuits. The schematic I found for this TV is not great but the manual is for a Hisense, not Insignia, but very close.
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                            • R_J
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 9535
                              • Canada

                              #15
                              Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                              Does pin 1 of the ic have continuity to the ground pin on that "pwr upgade" plug? it could be that the ground is isolated from the chassis

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                              • budm
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 40746
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                                So with that IC removed and you check the empty pad of pin 2 and GND, does it show very low resistance still?
                                So the always on 12V is feeding this buck converter circuit to produce the always on 5VSTB.
                                If you do not see any shorted at the SW pad of that IC's then you may be able to use external 5V supply to feed that 5VSTB point and see if the TV will work normally or not, I would prefer to use power supply with DC current meter built in so you can see if the circuit is drawing excessive current or not, we also know that the IC is rated 2A so you know what the maximum the current draw by the circuit should be.
                                BTW, do you have the whole schematic or the whole service manual that you can upload for us?
                                Last edited by budm; 02-23-2018, 01:02 AM.
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                • Acesales
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jun 2017
                                  • 58
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                                  Here is the service manual I found. I couldn't read the part number on the burnt IC. I'm wondering if my PSU requires a different part number than what is listed in the schematic.

                                  JR, there is no continuity to the "power upgrade" connector. I can chase pin 1 through a >1 ohm resistor and a capacitor.

                                  budm, yes, shorted between pin 2 and ground, unless pin 2 is ground and I am chasing the wrong converter part number.
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                                  • budm
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
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                                    #18
                                    Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                                    Originally posted by Acesales
                                    Here is the service manual I found. I couldn't read the part number on the burnt IC. I'm wondering if my PSU requires a different part number than what is listed in the schematic.

                                    JR, there is no continuity to the "power upgrade" connector. I can chase pin 1 through a >1 ohm resistor and a capacitor.

                                    budm, yes, shorted between pin 2 and ground, unless pin 2 is ground and I am chasing the wrong converter part number.
                                    If you follow pin 2, see if it is connected to an inductor or not.
                                    Can you please provide straight shot of that section?
                                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...7&d=1519095492
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • Acesales
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jun 2017
                                      • 58
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                                      Here are the close ups.
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                                      • budm
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Feb 2010
                                        • 40746
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: 2015 Insignia NS-55D421NA16 No Standby-PSU Sparks

                                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...4&d=1519428544
                                        Pin 2 (to the right of the pin 1 that has triangle marking) looks to be connected to the 12V pin of the connector, can you check on that?
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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