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    Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

    Hello all,

    Figured I'd jump into the world of component level repair with a Panasonic Plasma I found waiting to be trashed. To my surprise, everything is in perfect working order except the SN board. I would've been satisfied with sourcing the board and calling it a day, however it seems they're extremely hard (if not impossible) to find.

    So here I am, with a decent reflow station and absolutely no idea what I'm doing. I've gone through all the threads on here, watched the shopjimmy tutorial, and determined what components are bad on the board.

    This only left me with more questions, so before I botch an easy procedure and fry a potentially salvageable board, I figured I should summon the solder gods and ask them to show me the way.

    Here are my questions, if anyone can shed some light on how I should go about this it'd be greatly appreciated!

    1. The transistors and diodes Q401, Q402, Q421, Q422, D401, and D421 are showing dead shorts on my board. These are all included with the TNPA5349 repair kit. There are also four 7R5 resistors (R401, R402, R421, and R422) that are included as well. On my board, R401 and R402 are showing the correct resistance(7.5), but R421 and R422 are reading 6.5, is that within tolerance? Should I just replace all 4 resistors anyway?

    2. I read a thread (not sure if it was on here) where the the poster had the same common failures on his board, along with transistor Q441. He claimed that when he replaced Q441, it restored function to the other components. Is that possible even though those transistors are showing dead shorts? Should I start with Q441 first?

    3. Once I'm confident that I've got everything functioning on the board, is there a way to test it before I reconnect it? I'd hate to give it juice only for it to pop a second later because I missed something!

    4. It's been said that the most common reason the board shorts out is because the ground screws/pads become loose causing arching. The ground screws were all snug on my board, could I be missing another underlying issue?

    I have 14 blinks with the SN board connected, 7 blinks without it connected. With the SN board disconnected(ribbon cable as well), the main board and the SS board LEDs light up for a second, leading me to believe that they're both functioning correctly. I've checked those boards along with the power board and everything seems to be in order.

    My apologies for the essay, I just want to make sure I've got everything covered. If I've given any incorrect information please feel free to correct me!

    I'm just waiting on the components to arrive before I start butchering the board, so tell me how to do it right before it's too late!
    "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

    -retiredcaps

    #2
    Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

    remove the 4 transistors, recheck resistors, they'll probably be in spec but if they look burnt replace. If you have a kit then you could just replace all those anyway.

    not sure about the SN if it has the exact same failure as the SC in the same 50" model but sounds like it.

    you'll probably find the diodes are ok too once the transistors are out but again you could just replace them. apart from that you could also check all other transistors for short if ok then good chance it will be ok.
    I'm limited to only fixing tnpa5351 Sc and on that 4 transistors (30F131) REPLACED FIXED THAT ONE.

    not sure how many have repaired this sn, would have to do a search on model or board number to see what's been posted.

    what transistor is q441? is it showing short too?

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      #3
      Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

      it's believed that poor earth and loose screws contribute to the failure but if yours are tight and no burns at these points, then yeah it could just be general Sc failure. No heatsinks probably does not help but seems like Sc boards at some point will fail. the good bit is if it just needs these replaced it's a cheap fix and easy enough to do again need time they fail.

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        #4
        Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

        Q441 is showing dead short, it's part # DG3C3020CL

        http://www.coppelltvrepair.com/p/607...sustain-boards
        "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

        -retiredcaps

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          #5
          Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

          Originally posted by WHaThEFLuX View Post
          Q441 is showing dead short, it's part # DG3C3020CL

          http://www.coppelltvrepair.com/p/607...sustain-boards
          ok, will have to have a look at the cct I guess. may also be a case of replacing the driver ic too.

          so 30f131 x 4 and DG302 showing short. you'll have to pull them out one by one and recheck .

          not as straight forward as mine, hopefully you'll get some feedback from other readers

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            #6
            Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

            Also RF1501 (D401), RFN10 (D421) and RF1501 (D481), those diodes are shorted as well. D481 is never mentioned in any of the repair kits but it's the same diode as D401 so I just ordered two kits.

            Not sure what the driver IC is or where it's located?
            "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

            -retiredcaps

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              #7
              Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

              just looking quickly at another post, this kit has q441 and mentions the driver ic as also an issue
              http://www.ebay.com/itm/PANASONIC-TN...item232ffaec1b

              PARTS Q401 Q402 Q421 Q422 Q441 D401 D421
              PLUS IC502 AND Q531 WILL FAIL IN 20% OF CASES

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                #8
                Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                when you checked these diodes you know the outer legs are the same connection so 1-3 will show short 2-3,1-2 should behave like a diode , no short conduct in one direction

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                  #9
                  Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                  hmm I didn't know that! Just checked em out, those diodes are definitely open. On a positive note, I didn't know anything about IC502 and Q531 but they both showed resistance. Good find on ebay, I'm usually pretty thorough with my research, can't believe I missed that one!
                  "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

                  -retiredcaps

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                    #10
                    Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                    found this link for a kit on ebay, also suggests ic502 q441
                    http://photos.the-parts-warehouse.co...t=Photo&ci=008

                    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-TX...item3a9f9af90a

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                      #11
                      Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                      always this option http://www.moduslinkptstvboards.com/...pa5349&x=0&y=0
                      $78

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                        #12
                        Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                        I've got all those components on the way, minus IC502 and Q531 which seem to be good, I found the transistors, diodes, and resistors at shopjimmy and the Q441 (SMD type) from coppell, I believe I should be good to go once they get here?

                        I should start with the transistors, correct? Pull them one by one and check for resistance at the ones still on the board? Or the whole board itself at the power connection (SN2)?
                        "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

                        -retiredcaps

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                          #13
                          Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                          Originally posted by tw2005 View Post

                          My jaw almost dropped till I realized that I got in touch with them and they said they didn't have any boards left...they were quick to tell me I could send mine in for a reflow, but I'm not that kind of guy
                          "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

                          -retiredcaps

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                            #14
                            Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                            I'd be tempted to get that driver IC not sure how to be 100% sure it's ok or not.

                            i'd expect all 4 30f131 will be short, i'd pull them + q441. then check the sn2 connector, but I would always check all those larger smd igbts and diodes on the board just in case.

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                              #15
                              Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                              Originally posted by WHaThEFLuX View Post
                              My jaw almost dropped till I realized that I got in touch with them and they said they didn't have any boards left...they were quick to tell me I could send mine in for a reflow, but I'm not that kind of guy
                              nor am I, half the fun is working it out yourself and then sharing the knowledge

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                                #16
                                Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                                With the Driver IC, I checked for resistance at the pins that lead to the capacitor/resistor/transistor at 2000K and got 1832, wouldn't that indicate adequate resistance or is that an unreliable test?
                                "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

                                -retiredcaps

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                                  not sure, not one I've experienced. if input side is not shorted and the output also not low i guess could be ok but usually it's good practice to replace it if the transistor driven is shorted.

                                  I don't have an exact way to test it, maybe someone else does.

                                  you may be just fine.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                                    Fingers crossed, thanks so much for your help, it's greatly appreciated.....everything should be arriving on Thursday, I'll report back and let you know how everything goes!
                                    "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

                                    -retiredcaps

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                                      Question, I've got everything on the board except for Q441 which got delayed in Texas somewhere because of the snow. The board is showing resistance and everything is in spec except for one of the resistors (R402). I've removed it and replaced it a few times but no matter what I do it reads 1.8 on the board......any ideas?
                                      "You can only learn so much doing simple recapping and fixes. Ideally you want a really hard one to fix where you end up with a lot of dead ends and frustration. Then, and only then, do you learn how things really work."

                                      -retiredcaps

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Panasonic TCP42S30 SN Board reflow-Help out a noob!

                                        got any pics? If it measures correct out of cct then somethings wrong. R401 measures correct at 7.5? So what parts are replaced?

                                        what's the test lead resistance of your meter?

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