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    Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

    Hello all, I'm new to this forum so apologies in advance for any bad etiquette. I read through the forum rules, hopefully I do okay, but anyways here's my situation...

    I'm posting this here because I've read many posts that have been helpful thus far in troubleshooting my problem and hope that the electrical expertise can figure this one out for me. I have a LG W2452T monitor that has had issues turning on over the last year or 2. It is almost always running and just goes into idle but the few times it has been unplugged for various reasons it always has issues coming back on. The most recent time I had to unplug and re-plug it in several times before hitting the power button did anything. Most of the times it would just not do anything, no light or anything, when I would hit the power button after plugging it in.

    I pulled the board out and tested the voltages and when the power supply is out of the monitor the 5v pins were reading about 6.5V, but when connected to the rest of the monitor it was reading about 3.8V. Nothing comes out the 12V or 25V pins but my guess is that's because the monitor isn't turned on--I haven't tried shorting the PWON and 5V pins for fear that may not be correct (though I've read on other monitors that's how to do it).

    After reading several posts I assumed it had to be the capacitors, even though they all looked perfectly fine, so I ordered all new capacitors. When I replaced each of them I tested the old capacitors once out of circuit and the capacitance came back just about perfect on ever one of them. That probably isn't the issue.

    In the process however I did find a resistor that registered infinite resistance! That must be it, at least as far as I've gotten to this point. However I have no idea what the value of this resistor is to replace it. That probably sounds pretty stupid because there are color bands but none of it makes sense.

    BTW I should quickly note that I went ahead and purchased the service manual for this monitor thinking it would have schematics in it... which it does... however it doesn't include a schematic for the power supply.

    I've attached 2 images:

    1 - This is not my image, but a very clear one of the power supply board I found online that notes where this resistor is on the board. It is in location R102, which if I could find a schematic would quickly solve this for me.
    2 - I've taken several photos of the resistor in different lighting so you can get a clear look at the bands.

    All of the value combinations I've come up with don't seem to be logical since it's almost impossible to find resistors of that value. Here are the 2 most likely values I can come up with:

    1.06M Ohms 5% - Brown, Black, Blue, Yellow, Gold
    146 Ohms 5% - Brown, Yellow, Blue, Black, Gold

    In either case I can't find a single retailer that sells a resistor of this value.

    There seems almost no denying the middle 3 colors: Yellow, Blue and Black... but the ends are probably more difficult... It would have to end in Brown or Gold... Can't be black or Orange. All though in natural light the one end looks more black in color... not sure that can be the case either since there would be no reason to start a resistor with black... you can start to see where my brain unravels.

    Am I missing something here??
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    Last edited by nolequad; 01-12-2015, 10:22 AM.

    #2
    Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

    Looks like the resistor might be 10Mohms Brown Black Blue Gold
    Last edited by selldoor; 01-12-2015, 10:32 AM.
    Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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      #3
      Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

      That resistor is fine, it is not needed for the power supply to function, it is part of the AC line noise filtering circuit.
      You are looking at the wrong section.
      You should verify first that your meter has good batteries to verify that 5VSTBY out put first.
      "I haven't tried shorting the PWON and 5V pins for fear that may not be correct (though I've read on other monitors that's how to do it)." You also must remove the wire going back to the main board before trying to force on the power supply.
      Last edited by budm; 01-12-2015, 10:24 AM.
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        #4
        Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

        Budm, thanks.

        Do you have suggestions on other parts to test? I haven't plugged the power supply back into the monitor since replacing the capacitors, but since the old ones all tested fine I didn't assume that would change anything. I can put the bad resistor back in (or leave it out) and test again tonight as is. Is it possible that bad capacitors could registers the proper capacitance on a cap meter but still cause problems?

        I'm not electronics expert or have any experience with working on power supplies... just know enough to get myself into trouble

        I'll power up the board again tonight and test the pins again and report back with my findings.

        ... Also even if the resistor doesn't matter, I'm still obsessed with figuring it out
        Last edited by nolequad; 01-12-2015, 10:31 AM.

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          #5
          Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

          selldoor,

          I don't think it can be 10M because if it is Brown, Black, Blue, Gold then the last ring would have to be Brown or Gold but it doesn't match either of the other rings you've already labeled.

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            #6
            Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

            Perhaps you can post pictures of your boards - we might spot something amiss.
            Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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              #7
              Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

              Originally posted by nolequad View Post
              selldoor,

              I don't think it can be 10M because if it is Brown, Black, Blue, Gold then the last ring would have to be Brown or Gold but it doesn't match either of the other rings you've already labeled.
              I agree, assuming the manufacturer is using an accepted 5 ring code - I have read somewhere that sometimes it is just a 4 ring code and the last ring is just for the manufacturers use.
              Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                #8
                Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                It is 10M.
                Deviating colors

                For high voltage resistors often the colors gold and silver are replaced with yellow and gray. This is to prevent having metal particles in the coating.

                http://www.resistorguide.com/resistor-color-code/
                It has to do with safety issue.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  #9
                  Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                  Awesome, thanks guys. I wonder too if my multimeter then just won't read a value as high as 10M... the highest setting is 2000K.

                  I'll take several pictures of my board tonight and double check all the pin values.

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                    #10
                    Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                    I bet it's 10M. The "yellow" looks like a faded gold to me. I think the last band is irrelevant, prehaps manf marking.
                    Last edited by SteveNielsen; 01-12-2015, 11:03 AM.

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                      #11
                      Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                      1.06M Ohms 1%

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                        #12
                        Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                        I didn't know the colors would be changed.. I better get some new charts.

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                          #13
                          Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                          That resistor is high value across mains as X-cap discharge. 470k - 4.7Meg typically.
                          Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                          For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                            #14
                            Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                            So I soldered the resistor back in since it sounds like it may either be 10M or not matter (or both). I then plugged it in and checked the 5v power and it did read 5.15v. Then I plugged the board back into the monitor shell and it turned right on!

                            I got excited and put the whole monitor back together (which required unplugging it) to find that it wouldn't turn on again (these are the same issues that have continued to plague me... sometimes it'll turn on and then I can't do anything to get it on again).

                            Here are several photos of the power supply. Any thoughts on what else to check? Everything looks visually in order to me.
                            Attached Files

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                              #15
                              Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                              Check the TV when it does not work. I am suspecting bad startup cap in the standby power supply section but we need to verify the Voltage first.
                              You can also heat up the board with hair dryer for 2~3minutes if the 5V is not stable and then see if it becomes stable.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                #16
                                Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                                Started taking it apart again (which is a huge pain with this monitor) and it came on again! I think it may actually be the board that has the power button on it. It came one when part of the actual screen hit that board.

                                Hmmm... for now the monitor is on and working, so I'm going to leave it. Not sure what else to make of it.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                                  Figured I'd add one more update...

                                  So the monitor is working right now and I plan to just not mess with it even though it's pretty clear that I haven't "fixed" anything. Swapped out a bunch of capacitors? Yes. Jingled some parts around? Yes. Permanent fix? No.

                                  After I got it back up and running, I pressed on one of the lower corners of the monitor to tighten the plastic face down and the power shut off again. Pressing the power button did nothing.

                                  It may be the power button board.. or the wire leading to it... but now I'm not so sure. What I am sure of is that something inside of the monitor is loose somehow. When I take the face off (which is how I open it) and move stuff around (the screen, wires, the power button board, etc) it will eventually come on. Perhaps there could be a grounding issue (parts not making good contact with the metal chasis?)? Perhaps a wire somewhere is losing contact with a pin? Perhaps a solder joint got cracked? I don't really know.

                                  If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them but otherwise at least the screen it working... for now.

                                  Thanks again for all your input.

                                  Matt

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                                    I would check to see if any one of the switch is stuck closed or has low resistanc ereading with out the buttons activated.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Mystery Resistor - LG W2452T Power Supply

                                      Hi
                                      I have the same problem with this monitor,
                                      there is no 5v with picture board pluged in power supply , but if unplug picture board then 5v is stable, then i can plug picture board and monitor is starting. Still not solved this problem, if anybody know something about this problem please advice how to solve it. Thanks !

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