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  • ratedK
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    • Dec 2012
    • 21
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    Emerson LC401EM2F

    Emerson Funai LC401EM2F

    Long time listener, first time caller. I've referenced badcaps numerous times in the past, but this is my first post. I'm a computer technician and have soldering experience. In the past, I've replaced a lot of visibly bad caps to bring numerous boards [computer mobo's, monitors] back to life... I've only done a few TV's and it's usually been caps or a diode that's been the culprit. But this time, I can't find any single bad component. Even if I can't repair, I wouldn't be opposed to ordering a replacement board IF I could verify which one it needs.

    I'm attempting to fix this for a friend who said it just didn't come on one day. They could hear sound, but no picture. They were using the coax input from a satellite receiver. Here, at work, I only have access to HDMI & AV inputs to test with.

    When the power button is pressed, I can hear a relay click and the power light comes on, but other than that it's unresponsive. No backlight, no image I even tried to use a flashlight to see if the screen was on without backlight - but it wasn't (I've done this with laptops and monitors successfully in the past). The tv acts like it's on, according to the power light, and will stay that way until the power button is pressed again, then it blinks a few times and shuts off.

    Searching the forums, I could find this model, but their problem/solution was different. My main 8A fuse shows continuity. I found 14 questionable diodes on the power board, however, when they were removed from the circuit they all tested fine. I have 3 questionable ones on the main video board that haven't been pulled yet. An expert opinion would be helpful right about now. FYI this TV has a 3rd board for HDMI, that I haven't even removed yet.
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  • xredhawk
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 103

    #2
    Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

    post picture of 3rd board

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    • selldoor
      Slow Learner
      • Dec 2010
      • 7870

      #3
      Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

      Also close up pictures of the connectors and associated text
      Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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      • ratedK
        Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 21
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

        Originally posted by xredhawk
        post picture of 3rd board
        Here's the Digital input board
        Attached Files

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        • ratedK
          Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 21
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          #5
          Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

          Originally posted by selldoor
          Also close up pictures of the connectors and associated text
          Connectors and associated text.
          Attached Files

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          • selldoor
            Slow Learner
            • Dec 2010
            • 7870

            #6
            Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

            Suggest you connect it all up then plug in. Test all voltages at the connectors
            and see how they match what it says on the board.
            Press the ON button and do them all again.
            I will look again but I dont see an inverter board in the pictures one that the backlights plug into?
            Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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            • ratedK
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              • Dec 2012
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              • USA

              #7
              Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

              Originally posted by selldoor
              Suggest you connect it all up then plug in. Test all voltages at the connectors
              and see how they match what it says on the board.
              Press the ON button and do them all again.
              I will look again but I dont see an inverter board in the pictures one that the backlights plug into?
              All plugged back in. The only connectors with labeled voltages are:

              The 24V lines to the inverter board all read 23.83V when power is on.

              The larger ribbon cable to the video board (ON / OFF)

              Tuner +35V = 37.5 / < .1
              LCD +12 = 12.23 / < .1
              LCD +12 = 12.23 / < .1
              GND
              GND
              P-ON 3.3 = 3.38 / < .1
              GND
              5.5 or 5V = 7.72 / 2.6
              GND
              P-ON 5V = 5.26 / < .1
              GND
              24Vf or AMP = 27.5 / < .1

              Here's the inverter board pictures
              Attached Files

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              • selldoor
                Slow Learner
                • Dec 2010
                • 7870

                #8
                Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                I am not an expert on Tvs but they look ok apart from that 5v dropping to 2.5v
                but that may be correct. You have just caught me going to bed but I see a white fuse on the inverter board - just by the connector there may be more? Please check it is ok and then test the voltage on each side with respect to ground.
                I will look in tomorrow to see the result someone who knows may even have fixed it for you by then Those yellow caps are SamYoung and if I recall are not great.
                Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                  So what DC voltages do you get at the Inverter board connector, especially at both ends of the fuse F1, AND AT PIN 12 ENA PIN?
                  http://assets.shopjimmy.com/media/ca...03241a-top.jpg
                  Also the pictures of the whole back side of the board, need to see if there is cable between the inverter board and the T-CON board or not.
                  Last edited by budm; 02-17-2014, 05:48 PM.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • ratedK
                    Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 21
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                    Originally posted by budm
                    So what DC voltages do you get at the Inverter board connector, especially at both ends of the fuse F1, AND AT PIN 12 ENA PIN?
                    http://assets.shopjimmy.com/media/ca...03241a-top.jpg
                    Also the pictures of the whole back side of the board, need to see if there is cable between the inverter board and the T-CON board or not.
                    Voltages at the Inverter board connector (Power board Label / Inverter board label):
                    PWM-SEL / EX DIM: .775
                    BL-ADJ / DIM: .768
                    BL-5W / ENA: 2.968
                    ERROR / ERR_OUT: .07 while on, Max .447 when power is pressed
                    GND
                    24V / VIN: 23.82

                    F1 Fuse shows continuity. 23.82V on both sides.

                    I didn't post a picture of the back side of the inverter board because there's absolutely nothing on the back of it.

                    However, I did notice that the power light blinks 16 or 17 times when I turn on the TV now. It was not doing that before... Perhaps when I was re-soldering the pulled diodes I f'd something else up. Crap. I'll be triple checking the ones I already pulled while I await a response.

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                    • selldoor
                      Slow Learner
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 7870

                      #11
                      Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                      If we are loking for faults on the inverter I think we need close up clear pictures
                      perhaps break it down into 3 pics left centre and right, but if you like wait and see what Budm makes of those voltages.
                      Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                      • ratedK
                        Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 21
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                        Originally posted by selldoor
                        If we are loking for faults on the inverter I think we need close up clear pictures
                        perhaps break it down into 3 pics left centre and right, but if you like wait and see what Budm makes of those voltages.
                        Visually, it looks identical to pic in the link that budm posted with exception to a little bit of cockroach poop on the one I'm working on: http://assets.shopjimmy.com/media/ca...03241a-top.jpg

                        Mine is the same board number with exception Rev 0.3 2011.8.04 (the one pictured is Rev 0.2 2010.07.12)

                        There is a 4 pin connector (CN102) that is not utilized.

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                        • budm
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 40746
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                          Those voltages are correct, not sure about the ERROR voltage, but it may not be used. So either try fix it down to component level of get the board.
                          The bad part is this "
                          However, I did notice that the power light blinks 16 or 17 times when I turn on the TV now. It was not doing that before." you need to find out what happen.
                          Never stop learning
                          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                          TV Factory reset codes listing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                          • ratedK
                            Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 21
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                            Ok, THANK YOU for your time, If I find the bad component, I'll post back.

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                            • ratedK
                              Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 21
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                              So I found a complete set of boards on eBay for $100 harvested from a new identical model with a broken screen. I started by replacing the inverter board, and all is well. If anyone needs the power, video, or digital video board, let me know.

                              Whatever I thought I had done to the power board apparently didn't effect its functionality, because everything is working as it should!?!

                              Thanks again for all your help!

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                              • wrd0225
                                New Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 9
                                • United States

                                #16
                                Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                                I am new to this particular forum. I need to know how to remove the back of this TV to replace the connector for the antenna.

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                                • ratedK
                                  Member
                                  • Dec 2012
                                  • 21
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Emerson LC401EM2F

                                  I don't remember anything special about opening this one up... Once you take all the screws out, it's handy to have some plastic pry tools if your concerned about marring the edges of the TV.

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